Preflop Concept Question

#1 11-07-2005, 01:18 PM

This table is somewhat loose, 4-5 to the flop is not unusual.

You're dealt ATo, on the button.

An EP player limps, 2 MP players limp, the CO limps.

What do you do (fold, limp, or raise)?
Please explain your reasoning.

#2 11-07-2005, 01:22 PM

I raise for value. Also we have position so there is a chance your raise will give us a free card.

bozlax · #3 11-07-2005, 01:23 PM

How raise-happy are the blinds?

As long as the blinds aren't likely to raise, I'll call this with that many players. I don't raise as I don't want to bloat the pot and I don't believe raising will limit the field.

#4 11-07-2005, 01:26 PM

I call. Our hand does not have a huge equity edge. I also really want to be bet into on a ten high flop.

#5 11-07-2005, 01:26 PM

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How raise-happy are the blinds?

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Assume blinds are not raise-happy, but things do happen on occasion.

bozlax · #6 11-07-2005, 01:28 PM

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I raise for value.

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What's your estimate of the preflop equity of ATo?

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Also we have position so there is a chance your raise will give us a free card.

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Give me a hypothetical flop that you're going to check through with ATo after you raise preflop, that wouldn't have been checked to you without a PFR? With likely 5, possibly 6, players acting ahead of you?

bozlax · #7 11-07-2005, 01:29 PM

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How raise-happy are the blinds?

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Assume blinds are not raise-happy, but things do happen on occasion.

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Same answer. Call, don't bloat the pot. Flop AAT, win money.

#8 11-07-2005, 01:35 PM

My answer is call as well (although a few weeks ago I probably would have said raise).

SSH advocates raising in this position if I recall correctly, but with this many limpers, in a hand that is not that good multiway, I see no reason to bloat the pot preflop. Bloating it only gives better odds for draws.

Does AJo become a raise? AQo would in my book.

#9 11-07-2005, 01:38 PM

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What's your estimate of the preflop equity of ATo?

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Not sure, know its not high. But its a lose table, surely we have an edge over fish playing A9o etc etc ??

deception5 · #10 11-07-2005, 01:39 PM

Call. Our hand is unlikely to win against this many players unimproved. We don't need to buy the button. Pass up the small preflop edge and exploit a large flop edge or fold UI if bet into in general.