Two horrendous river folds, i believe i should be banned..

[deepsquat]

I just have no idea today, one of those days where no decision seems clear at the time... looking back i feel like vommiting

Hand1:

All players seem loose and predictable barring SB who is a random LAG who will raise, CC, limp or 3bet pf depending on how he feels.

$2/$4 6max
Hero is Button with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

limp,limp,limp,Hero limps, Sb completes, BB checks.

Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB (LAG) bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP Call, CO calls, Hero Raises, SB calls, UTG 3bets, everyone folds to me, I call and SB calls.

Turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

check, bet, call, fold.

River A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 17.5BB

UTG bets, Hero folds [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]


Hand2: No reads, 1st orbit

Hero is button A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG limps, 2 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6.5SB

check,check,bet,call,call.

Turn- J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9.5SB

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BBfolds, UTG calls.

River- 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7BB

UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[jba]

i only count 10.5 bbs going into the river, and i don't think the fold is all that bad, if utg is reasonable his call-3bet on the flop is terrifying.

second fold is definitely worse but not banworthy

[deepsquat]

Hand1: yeah the BB count was a typo. This hand was played at a site with no HH's.

Hand 2 i need to call. These monkeys will raise the river with K10.

hand 1: Everything looks good until you fold the river to what might be a 2-4 bluff.

hand 2: I think 2-4 is random enough that you have to call this.

When my opponents made strange plays that dont correlate well with their stats vs me in 2-4, and often still in 3-6, it generally indicates what I refer to as an "outrageous bluff". These outrageous bluffs are generally too risky to be profitable, and often dont really make that much sense given the way the action and the board develops. When these things happen, I like to call to see what they are up to. Usually its busted gut-shots, busted flush draws, and J2s