middle pair vs. lag - turn decision

bank · #1 08-23-2005, 05:56 PM

No solid numbers on Villian ...I just arrived at the table. A few hands ago he limp reraised queens and he has been in almost every hand (~3 orbits)

I raised turn for protection/free showdown. Normally I would fold the river UI but pot was giving me 13 to 1 and I don't think he would bet out a king on that flop (he would normally go for a c/r or c/c then turn c/r)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 3 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

bank · #2 08-23-2005, 07:43 PM

Bump.

deepsquat · #3 08-23-2005, 07:51 PM

Just call down. Why raise for a free SD and protection? protection from who, its HU?

So u raise for a free SD and you are 3bet, i dont think he makes this play with a draw or a MPP or a weaker Q. He clearly has a K or 2pair.

bank · #4 08-23-2005, 07:55 PM

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Why raise for a free SD and protection?

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I should rephrase that. I raise for free SD and to charge straight/flush draws as well.

bank · #5 08-23-2005, 07:58 PM

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He clearly has a K or 2pair.

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3/6 3 handed against a player like this on this board? I would think he's capable of 3 betting a much wider range.

deepsquat · #6 08-23-2005, 08:17 PM

ok, ill rephrase, i cant see him 3betting anything here that you come close to beating on the turn. I do agree with charging a draw here but when u are 3bet on the turn i think u need to either fold or fold the river UI. Calling this river against 80% of players after the turn action would have to be a leak imo.

I still like calling down and betting any river if checked to. With top pair i like your line better.

SinCityGuy · #7 08-23-2005, 08:23 PM

After the BB folds on the flop, just call down.

bank · #8 08-23-2005, 11:06 PM

Villian shows JsJd and MHIG.

Lmn55d · #9 08-24-2005, 12:39 AM

Hey, I would also not raise turn. The way you played it you should probably fold to the turn 3bet but definitely should fold the river.

Lmn55d · #10 08-24-2005, 12:41 AM

If you cannot fold to either the turn 3bet or river bet you shouldn't be raising the turn in this spot for sure.