KQ, turn interesting to anyone else?

BigEndian · #1 08-03-2005, 09:53 PM

I thought it was.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: BigEndian is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, BigEndian raises, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BigEndian checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, BigEndian calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BigEndian checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB folds, BigEndian...

- Jim

Paxosmotic · #2 08-03-2005, 10:00 PM

I think you're just barely behind enough to sneak away from this. You're getting 8.5:1 immediate with some pretty solid implied odds, but you're looking at a very tainted T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and maybe even the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], which pretty much kill your groove.

brettbrettr · #3 08-03-2005, 10:07 PM

I'd almost always bet that flop. Turn's a fold.

BigEndian · #4 08-03-2005, 10:11 PM

Why would you bet this flop? Who are you folding?

- Jim

brettbrettr · #5 08-03-2005, 10:13 PM

2 overs + a gutshot, plus I raised pre-flop. I usually need a strong reason *not* to follow up with a flop bet after raising pre-flop. I don't see one here. (I could be wrong though cuz I really might suck).

As for who I'm folding... Is there a read I'm missing?

BigEndian · #6 08-03-2005, 10:17 PM

I think betting this incredibly draw-heavy flop which could have hit a number of people is just begging to get raised while not significantly improving your chances to win the hand.

- Jim

jrbick · #7 08-03-2005, 10:34 PM

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I thought it was.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: BigEndian is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, BigEndian raises, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BigEndian checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, BigEndian calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BigEndian checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB folds, BigEndian...

- Jim

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VERY interesting -- how many outs do we have now? Minimum of 3 tens in which case we have to fold the Turn (6% equity for river w/ 10.5% pot-equity). At most, we have 7 in which case we are correct to call (14% equity for river w/ 10.5% equity on our call). Problem here though is that I don't think we're good w/ a merea K or Q falling on the river. Makes things even uglier.

CO either has a monster OESD and/or flush draw (I don't know if people will cc w/ QTs in this position... probably not?) - KJs, AJs. Button also looks to be on the draw... I don't see how we can safely give ourselves anything but 3 Tens here. I have zero confidence in my read on CO -- CC'd PreFlop and bets out against your weakness... ATs or AJs?

I think specifically AJs more often than not... he didn't slow down to the A even though you raised PF but then again I wouldn't think you had an A here either since you PFR would've been a strong one... out of position, though, against 3 others I could see this maybe w/ a strong, black AX.

jrbick · #8 08-03-2005, 10:38 PM

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2 overs + a gutshot, plus I raised pre-flop. I usually need a strong reason *not* to follow up with a flop bet after raising pre-flop. I don't see one here. (I could be wrong though cuz I really might suck).

As for who I'm folding... Is there a read I'm missing?

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I don't play 10/20, but are these players bad enough to CC with junk that didn't give ONE of THREE some kind of draw/piece of this board?

You have to think that OC's are tainted and thus only 4 are still kosher here. Not to mention that either them could complete a straight for someone.

brettbrettr · #9 08-03-2005, 10:57 PM

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I think betting this incredibly draw-heavy flop which could have hit a number of people is just begging to get raised while not significantly improving your chances to win the hand.

- Jim

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I think you're probably right.