Two QQ hands

GrandmaStabone · #1 08-05-2005, 04:29 PM

Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Hand 2

Both of these players were very loose preflop.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

When the Sb bets and then just calls my raise I put him on the 9 or a lower PP. MP3 and BB could have literally anything, they are either donk-calling or waiting until the turn to raise a 7 (which I am not that worried about)

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

SB pulling a stop-n-go here clearly tells me that he is no longer worried about a high PP. I am getting 9 - 1 here, what do you think? The action tells me he filled, and there are still players to act behind me.

River: (10 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Thoughts?

GrandmaStabone · #2 08-05-2005, 04:30 PM

looking back at this hand 1 seems pretty standard

istewart · #3 08-05-2005, 04:31 PM

Hand 2 looks standard. Hand 1 looks like a flop fold.

Doc7 · #4 08-05-2005, 04:34 PM

what is a stop-n-go?

istewart · #5 08-05-2005, 04:36 PM

Where you bet/call one street and then check/raise or bet the turn would be an example of this (passive line --> aggressive line).

GTSamIAm · #6 08-05-2005, 04:41 PM

On hand 1, bet the turn. If you get raised, release the queens.

On hand 2, you're folding not because of SB's turn bet, but because MP3 called two cold behind you on the flop. You need some better reads on the two villains' postflop play to know how to handle this turn. I'd be tempted to call down myself.

GrandmaStabone · #7 08-05-2005, 04:52 PM

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On hand 1, bet the turn. If you get raised, release the queens.

On hand 2, you're folding not because of SB's turn bet, but because MP3 called two cold behind you on the flop. You need some better reads on the two villains' postflop play to know how to handle this turn. I'd be tempted to call down myself.

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MP3 was a complete moran and I was almost completely unconcerned about him.

GrandmaStabone · #8 08-05-2005, 06:59 PM

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Hand 2 looks standard. Hand 1 looks like a flop fold.

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anyone else agree with this?

Dopey · #9 08-05-2005, 08:00 PM

Hand 2 is very standard.

Hand 1 Im very confused. Without a really good read what are you ahead of.
I like the cap preflop and the bet, but once raised you cannot be ahead against anyone but an absolute maniac. Fold the flop.

Dopey [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

GrandmaStabone · #10 08-05-2005, 08:22 PM

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Hand 2 is very standard.

Hand 1 Im very confused. Without a really good read what are you ahead of.
I like the cap preflop and the bet, but once raised you cannot be ahead against anyone but an absolute maniac. Fold the flop.

Dopey [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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In hand 2, if the turn had been a King, and both players had just called, and the RIVER had brought the 9 and Sb bet out - would you call one bet getting 11-1 on a 779K9 board?