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Very Familiar
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font> |
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Re: Very Familiar
YUK!
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Re: Very Familiar
This is straight out of the book right? You played it, but it looks exactly like a hand in SSH that I always had a hard time understanding.
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Re: Very Familiar
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This is straight out of the book right? You played it, but it looks exactly like a hand in SSH that I always had a hard time understanding. [/ QUOTE ] It's not straight out of the book. The pot is smaller here. |
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Re: Very Familiar
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[ QUOTE ] This is straight out of the book right? You played it, but it looks exactly like a hand in SSH that I always had a hard time understanding. [/ QUOTE ] It's not straight out of the book. The pot is smaller here. [/ QUOTE ] I don't have the book here. Let's say that we think we'll get a free card here about 85% of the time with a 3 bet. I think that's conservative. What do you think of it now? |
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Re: Very Familiar
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Let's say that we think we'll get a free card here about 85% of the time with a 3 bet. I think that's conservative. [/ QUOTE ] I think a conservative estimate would've been around 50% of the time. Even when you do get a free card and then hit by the river - you're still going to need to recoup bets with both aggressors on your immediate right. I think you're not going to get the return when you make it there on the river and UTG+1 leads the river and you either raise and hope to get 1 extra BB from him or call to try and get 2BBs (maybe 3) on overcalls. |
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I think a conservative estimate would've been around 50% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] WAY too low crunchy. I've played a few hands in these 2/4 games, and my 3 bets on the flop give me free cards extremely often. 85% is conservative. |
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Re: Very Familiar
Wasn't the pot bigger in the SSHE example? There was also a raise preflop and it was fairly easy to see the first better as unimproved overcards, with your three bet buying you two ace outs.
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Re: Very Familiar
I just looked at the explanation for the SSH recommendation for its similar hand (p. 271), and there are some differences I believe to be important.
(1) The pot isn't as big. (2) The initial bettor was not a PFR. So it's hard to put him on a big ace we could buy a couple of outs from. In the posted hand, I don't really know what's best. |
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Re: Very Familiar
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I just looked at the explanation for the SSH recommendation for its similar hand (p. 271), and there are some differences I believe to be important. (1) The pot isn't as big. (2) The initial bettor was not a PFR. So it's hard to put him on a big ace we could buy a couple of outs from. In the posted hand, I don't really know what's best. [/ QUOTE ] How big was the pot? I don't have the book with me. I'm glad this isn't turning out to be forum clutter because I felt bad posting it. |
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