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Old 10-13-2005, 10:07 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default a weird hand where i give some guy my money

villain is 54/14/1.9
plan was to fold the turn unimproved.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">some people fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.83 BB
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:15 PM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

Shitty hand. But what are you gonna do? I don't see any alternatives. What do you do if river is a 5th heart? I think maybe then I fold, but I dunno if that is correct.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:21 PM
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I usually fold the flop on hands like these.

What am I missing?
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

i usually fold these flops too. id like to see which line twoplustwo thinks is standard on the flop. another problem with calling the flop and folding the turn is that i am basically bleeding money to a guy who is going to follow through when hes on a heart draw with no pair.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:35 PM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

I'd fold this turn. He's still betting despite the biggest scare-card in the deck. I can't see any hand you're ahead of.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

I fold the turn b/c I don't think the Ah or Kh can count as improvement of your position in the hand.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:45 PM
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Shitty hand. But what are you gonna do? I don't see any alternatives. What do you do if river is a 5th heart? I think maybe then I fold, but I dunno if that is correct.

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Why would you fold for a 5th heart but not the 4th? Consider the pot size and your win/split/lose chances
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

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Shitty hand. But what are you gonna do? I don't see any alternatives. What do you do if river is a 5th heart? I think maybe then I fold, but I dunno if that is correct.

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Why would you fold for a 5th heart but not the 4th? Consider the pot size and your win/split/lose chances

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With 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] s he can win the pot outright. With 5 he can tie at best. Both times he can only beat a bluff.
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Old 10-14-2005, 12:00 AM
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i think i call flop planning to raise a large number of non heart turns and freeshowdown.
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Old 10-14-2005, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: a weird hand where i give some guy my money

I like both the flop and turn calls. I think you are giving up too much to someone this loose and agressive by folding. These players usually love bluffing in these spots. Agaisnt a more reasonable opponent I think this is a flop fold.
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