AK call down with turned tptk?

[mr pink]

villain is a 20/6/1.5 er, textbook tag - pretty ABC

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

yes?

raise the turn? raise the river? just call down?

[sekrah]

Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.

[mr pink]

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Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.

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thanks. care to explain why you'd raise either?

edit: btw, raising the flop sucks.

[JoshuaD]

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Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.


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Raising the flop is spewing here. It just gets another BB in the pot for no reason. (Villian is going to 3-bet and lead the turn here the vast majority of the time).


I like raising the turn. If he's got a low WtSD, I might wait until the river, but it doesn't sound like this guy knows how to fold.

[KDawgCometh]

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Definently raise the turn.. I would have probably raised the flop too.


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Raising the flop is spewing here. It just gets another BB in the pot for no reason. (Villian is going to 3-bet and lead the turn here the vast majority of the time).


I like raising the turn. If he's got a low WtSD, I might wait until the river, but it doesn't sound like this guy knows how to fold

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since I don't think we can lay this down on the turn, wouldn't the better play be to do as mr pink has done. We are tied with one hand, and slaughtered by two other of the villian's likely holding, and we are way ahead of QQ(on the turn at least). I don't think he'd three bet JJ PF there, but I could be wrong. either way, I think we are losing the least in a very marginal situation where we are gonna lose more often then we win. I also think the fact that this villian looks incapable of folding is more of a reason not to raise

[JoshuaD]

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since I don't think we can lay this down on the turn, wouldn't the better play be to do as mr pink has done. We are tied with one hand, and slaughtered by two other of the villian's likely holding, and we are way ahead of QQ(on the turn at least). I don't think he'd three bet JJ PF there, but I could be wrong. either way, I think we are losing the least in a very marginal situation where we are gonna lose more often then we win. I also think the fact that this villian looks incapable of folding is more of a reason not to raise

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Aw snap, I misread the read. I thought this was a "textbook LAG".

I like the way Mr. Pink played it.

I had like a 2 paragraph post typed up responding to you too, before I decided to go read over the OP and make sure I wasn't missing something. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Mike Gallo]

raise the turn? raise the river? just call down?

From the way villian played it and your definition of him, he has either the same hand as you or KK or AA.

Most of the times he has you beat. I doubt he would play JJ or 10 10 this way or capping with any hand having a 7 or 44.

I like your line a lot.

[mr pink]

thanks mike,

just a sanity check here. villain rivered a set of queens, i thought maybe raising the turn was the better play. i'm <font color="red"> -.39 </font> bb/100 with AKo through my 1st 4k hands at 5/10. probably just variance but i'm losing with AQo too <font color="red"> -.86 </font> bb/100. i'm going through the hand histories now to find any where i might be spewing.

[Mike Gallo]

just a sanity check here. villain rivered a set of queens,

If you had raised the turn he would have could and then he would have check raised you on the river.

[mr pink]

i don't know if he's calling that turn raise that often but i see your point.

btw, me and joshuad are gonna be down the borgata on saturday the 23rd playing 6/12. hope to see you there. pm me if you can make it.