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Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
I hope the bad beat police are not on patrol..
Frequently when I lose a hand I run to two dimes and put the hand in the odds calculator to see if I made the right play and just got unlucky. When I ran the odds on this hand I was surprised to find out I was an underdog. I was winning at the flop but he had flush, straight and all kinds of outs. Question.. I guess I could not have known this but just in case.. did I play this right? I assume that I made the right play, just thought the fact that I was ahead but still an underdog was interesting. Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter MP2 (t1055) Hero (t1850) Button (t1410) SB (t2915) BB (t1860) UTG (t2895) MP1 (t3015) Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t250. Flop: (t750) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t1510 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1500 (All-In). Turn: (t3760) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: (t3760) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3760 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Td Jd (flush, king high). Hero has Js Qc (two pair, queens and jacks). Outcome: BB wins t3760. </font> Here is the twodimes calculator output. pokenum -h js qc - td jd -- kd qd jh Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Js Qc 468 47.27 501 50.61 21 2.12 0.483 Jd Td 501 50.61 468 47.27 21 2.12 0.517 |
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Re: Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
how about folding preflop?
he had 16 outs, so its a coin flip. [ QUOTE ] I hope the bad beat police are not on patrol.. Frequently when I lose a hand I run to two dimes and put the hand in the odds calculator to see if I made the right play and just got unlucky. When I ran the odds on this hand I was surprised to find out I was an underdog. I was winning at the flop but he had flush, straight and all kinds of outs. Question.. I guess I could not have known this but just in case.. did I play this right? I assume that I made the right play, just thought the fact that I was ahead but still an underdog was interesting. Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter MP2 (t1055) Hero (t1850) Button (t1410) SB (t2915) BB (t1860) UTG (t2895) MP1 (t3015) Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t250. Flop: (t750) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t1510 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1500 (All-In). Turn: (t3760) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: (t3760) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t3760 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Td Jd (flush, king high). Hero has Js Qc (two pair, queens and jacks). Outcome: BB wins t3760. </font> Here is the twodimes calculator output. pokenum -h js qc - td jd -- kd qd jh Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Js Qc 468 47.27 501 50.61 21 2.12 0.483 Jd Td 501 50.61 468 47.27 21 2.12 0.517 [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
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how about folding preflop? he had 16 outs, so its a coin flip. [ QUOTE ] . .you counting runner-runner 10s as the 16th out? |
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Re: Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
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how about folding preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Folding seems too weak to me, but he could probably raise a little less. Obviously you call the raise. Even if you saw his hand and knew you were "behind" there' a 700 chip overlay sitting in the middle. |
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Re: Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
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[ QUOTE ] how about folding preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Folding seems too weak to me, but he could probably raise a little less. Obviously you call the raise. Even if you saw his hand and knew you were "behind" there' a 700 chip overlay sitting in the middle. You are only really screwed by a set and pretty screwed by a straight, but most people don't open push for 2X the pot with those hands. [/ QUOTE ] I needed to steal some blinds, hence the preflop bet |
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Re: Flopped two pair but still an underdog to a draw.. DOH !
You had to bet your stack, he had to call. Everyone played it right.
Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you. Sam |
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