turn and river play

[jt1]

Villian is an unknown. I expect that people will be tellling me to check the river. But should I be check calling or check folding? As I played it, do you have to fold to a raise?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (6.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>

[milesdyson]

you definitely have to be folding the river to a raise.

i think i just check fold, but i love folding hands like this.

[thesharpie]

And fold PF for -'s sake.

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And fold PF for -'s sake.

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Against a button steal range, PF is fine, IMO.

[thesharpie]

I disagree. I've never seen anyone regularly defend this against an unknown at 10/20, also there's the rake and slightly worse pot odds here.

Edit: And the fact people don't steal as much here.

FWIW, I think this is about the worst hand worth defending with, assuming a 2+2-er on the button (worst-case scenario).

[Peter Harris]

PF:

936,630,288 games 5.348 secs 175,136,553 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 61.6003 % [ 00.61 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q8s, JTs-J7s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AKo-A2o, KQo-K2o, QJo-Q8o, JTo-J9o }
Hand 2: 38.3997 % [ 00.38 00.01 ] { 5s4s }

Getting 3.5-1 i'd call PF with 54s. I guess our effective odds cut things up a bit. Bet-fold the river given the action thus far. That said, i may c/f the river if i'm feeling passive that day.

River is definitely a check-fold. A busted flush draw is about the only hand you beat, and that ain't callin'.