Middle Pair no Kicker

[mojobluesman]

Was this a clear cut check and fold with middle pair no kicker?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

[Vote4Pedro]

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Was this a clear cut check and fold with middle pair no kicker?

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yes

[milesdyson]

depends how often you will back into a boat.

this hand is fine.

[mojobluesman]

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depends how often you will back into a boat.

this hand is fine.

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I meant to take the boat part out because I didn't want to seem results oriented. I often bet my high middle pairs into a 2-3 players to find out where I am and to protect whatever equity I have, but this once seemed like a stretch.

[bozlax]

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I often bet my high middle pairs into a 2-3 players to find out where I am and to protect whatever equity I have, but this once seemed like a stretch.

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Doing this with no kicker and no redraws is going to wind up costing you a lot of money.

[@bsolute_luck]

win some money. buy a new pattern mapper. and never let this happen again.

(oh nh BTW)

[UATrewqaz]

Fold is good, and from the action on later streets you wouldn't have gotten much out of your eventually boat, neither made much.

But that's the results oriented speil, the important thing is the fold is good.

Middle pair, horrible kicker, horrible position, aces and kings can still kill you even if you are good, no backdoor draws, etc.

Yes you made the right fold. With the flush draw out there, 1 of your outs are counterfeited, leaving you with 4 outs. It is very likely you do not have the best hand at this point and you are not getting the odds to correctly call.