88 set - turn play

Isura · #1 12-09-2005, 12:00 PM

Villain is on the loose/passive side. Everyone seems to be more careful playing a pot with me lately. So I think he's got two pair or a flush/str8 draw on the flop. I need to bet this turn right?

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Hero ($79.30)
MP2 ($5.24)
MP3 ($42.80)
CO ($30.35)
Button ($24.40)
SB ($18.51)
BB ($22.45)
UTG ($19.85)
UTG+1 ($46.80)
UTG+2 ($24.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($9.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($9.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $24.65 (all-in), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.50

nyc999 · #2 12-09-2005, 12:07 PM

I check this turn. The flop play really looks like a draw, and almost every possible draw came on the turn. I think you're being set up for a c/r.

4_2_it · #3 12-09-2005, 12:16 PM

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I check this turn. The flop play really looks like a draw, and almost every possible draw came on the turn. I think you're being set up for a c/r.

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Only the flush draw hit the turn. That K didn't help the straight. For all we know the spade scares him more than us.

I bet the turn with plans to check down the river unimproved. We have to stop giving villains credit for the flush every time 3 of one suit hits the board. By checking the turn we gave a lone spade or a lone J or Q a chance to beat us. I would much rather bet the turn and fold to a raise knowing I'm beat that watch villain suck out with infinite odds on the river.

wdeadwyler · #4 12-09-2005, 12:25 PM

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I check this turn. The flop play really looks like a draw, and almost every possible draw came on the turn. I think you're being set up for a c/r.

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Only the flush draw hit the turn. That K didn't help the straight. For all we know the spade scares him more than us.

I bet the turn with plans to check down the river unimproved. We have to stop giving villains credit for the flush every time 3 of one suit hits the board. By checking the turn we gave a lone spade or a lone J or Q a chance to beat us. I would much rather bet the turn and fold to a raise knowing I'm beat that watch villain suck out with infinite odds on the river.

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The problem with betting the turn is that the flush is a scare card to villain to, so we lose value from hands like A10, 10J, etc. However, I agree we need to stop with the overabundance of checking turns, and I think you shoulda bet 6 on the turn here.

nyc999 · #5 12-09-2005, 12:58 PM

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I check this turn. The flop play really looks like a draw, and almost every possible draw came on the turn. I think you're being set up for a c/r.

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Only the flush draw hit the turn. That K didn't help the straight. For all we know the spade scares him more than us.

I bet the turn with plans to check down the river unimproved. We have to stop giving villains credit for the flush every time 3 of one suit hits the board. By checking the turn we gave a lone spade or a lone J or Q a chance to beat us. I would much rather bet the turn and fold to a raise knowing I'm beat that watch villain suck out with infinite odds on the river.

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You're right, thinking it was a Q that hit the turn and not the K, making a possible straight as well - I would also bet.

Mercman572 · #6 12-09-2005, 01:06 PM

I bet the 3/4pot on the turn and take a free showdown on the river, or fold if he still bets the river that came.

orange · #7 12-09-2005, 01:26 PM

I usually check this turn as well, and I think it is a leak. I understand that we are giving villan infinite odds to beat us with any spade or SD- but how do we handle a PSR on the turn if we are betting? Are we calling always?

I think I am too weak, thinking "oh I can boat up on the river for free." If stacks were deeper, is there ever a case to check this turn? Say, 200+BBs?

Isura · #8 12-09-2005, 05:15 PM

Good comments. Villain pushed the river with T9 (no spades) and showed. I hate poker.

4_2_it · #9 12-09-2005, 05:19 PM

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Good comments. Villain pushed the river with T9 (no spades) and showed. I hate poker.

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The sad part is he played that hand 1000000000 times worse than you did.

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