$60 Lvl 8 - Do I understand pushbotting?

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PokerStars Game #3273742477: Tournament #16205664, Hold'em No Limit -
Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/12/08 - 03:40:34 (ET)
Table '16205664 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: AK_fortynine (3110 in chips)
Seat 3: brett66 (1355 in chips)
Seat 4: oleastre (3040 in chips)
Seat 5: nickyneverlo (1575 in chips)
Seat 7: FourDucks5 (2535 in chips)
Seat 9: suzzer99 (1885 in chips)
(antes)
oleastre: posts small blind 200
nickyneverlo: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to suzzer99 [Js Kd]
FourDucks5: folds
suzzer99: raises 1460 to 1860 and is all-in
AK_fortynine: folds
brett66: folds
oleastre: calls 1660
nickyneverlo: folds
*** RIVER *** [As Qd 5d Qh] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oleastre: shows [Kc Ah] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
suzzer99: shows [Js Kd] (a pair of Queens)
oleastre collected 4270 from pot
brett66 said, "gg"


This was kind of weird game in that I think there were 7 or 8 left on lvl 7 and 6 left here on lvl 8. So it's just kamikaze poker at this point. Should I just fold KJo here w/4 left to act? I can't see calling or minraising or anything other than pushing.

[pooh74]

I wouldnt sweat it. Its a good push IMO.

[mlagoo]

stranderd.

Thanks. That's kind of what I thought. Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who would advocate anything other than pushing here?

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Thanks. That's kind of what I thought. Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who would advocate anything other than pushing here?

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With blinds that high, you're a one trick pony.

[pooh74]

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Thanks. That's kind of what I thought. Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who would advocate anything other than pushing here?

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If you somehow knew that in all of the next 4 orbits, you'd get a walk in the BB, you could...naw, nevermind, still push...

Thanks. I wonder if this is the future of high-level SNGs, if everyone starts playing the standard 2+2/ Tic-Tac-Toe style. Nothing but "surviving" the early levels, then a 6-way crapshoot at level 7+. Hmmmm.

[pineapple888]

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Thanks. I wonder if this is the future of high-level SNGs, if everyone starts playing the standard 2+2/ Tic-Tac-Toe style. Nothing but "surviving" the early levels, then a 6-way crapshoot at level 7+. Hmmmm.

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We've been through this a few times...

1.) It's not as easy as many seem to think to pushbot correctly

2.) There is still poker to be played in the early/middle levels. Those who "sit out" these levels are giving up EV. If I remember right, a few people bitched in a post about how they couldn't get past 7-8% ROI at the lower buyins, and it turned out they were all pushbotting.

3.) Tables full of strong players do happen, and it's -EV. Oh well. If it becomes common, we'll all go play something else.

Thanks pineapple.

#1 - I am finding out, as I'm relatively new to the concept.

#2 - I definitely meant something different by "surviving" than "sit out". Only play premium hands early, look for spots mid, etc. But like I said in a game w/o a few guys who call a raise preflop with AJ, then call all the way down with top pair (and similar plays), I think you get to a lot more crapshoots in the later levels.

#3 - yup

[pineapple888]

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#2 - I definitely meant something different by "surviving" than "sit out". Only play premium hands early, look for spots mid, etc.

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OK, but that's not pushbotting...

Anyway, I agree that if there are not 2 or more fish at a table, it's not worth it.

Some think the 215s are already to that point, at least off-peak hours.