Stars Turbos $16 & $27 Players, Loose Limps Early?

Burno · #1 12-07-2005, 06:29 AM

How loose do you guys play early in these, regarding limps? I'm finding myself limping early with a wide range, but I'm unsure if it's in my best interest.

So here's a couple examples, assume we are on Lv. 1 or Lv. 2 of a typical $16 or peak hour $27.

1. Two limpers to you in MP1 with 9Ts?
2. 4 limpers to you in the CO with 68o?
3. 1 MP limper to you on Button with 57s?
4. 3 limpers to you on button with XX? How low you go?
5. 2 limpers, you in EMP with 78s?
6. 3 limpers to you in the CO with Q9o?
7. 2 EP limpers, you in LP with J8s?

As of now, I'm limping all of these in a $16, and most of them at a $27. Obviously my logic is that I'm risking either 1/65 or 1/50th of my stack for a longshot chance of winning a big pot. As of now, this is working out alright, since so many people can't get away from TPGK, but this may be really bad. You tell me.

Burno

Melchiades · #2 12-07-2005, 06:43 AM

Whats you nick on Stars?

1. Once in a while
2. Never
3. Almost never
4. Basicly suited connectors and one gappers some of the time, and all low pockets.
5. Never
6. Nah
7. Some of the time.

Burno · #3 12-07-2005, 07:11 AM

Is Melchiades your SN on Stars?

I'm coming off a stretch of 1500 where my 1-2-3 distribution was really disturbing, and am trying lots of new things to correct it. Believe it or not, I was in the you cannot play too tight early camp until a few months ago. I've pored through bubble scenarios and HH's with SNGPT but am not really finding huge leaks or missed pushes, so it's either something else or simply variance.

I appreciate your response, and am quite surprised at your answer to number 4. I think a very wide range is +EV here.

Melchiades · #4 12-07-2005, 07:20 AM

I don't really think it matters much. Limping 64o behind lots of limpers on the button is only a micro leak if it is a leak at all. The same can probably be said about folding 64o in that same situation, imo. That is if you throw it away whenever you don't flop something great. Can quickly turn into a real leak if you try to get fancy with it too often.

I'm much more likely to limp 63s behind lots of limpers than 64o or KTo. Almost never limp weak A's, K's and Q's.

Yeah I'm Melchiades on Stars.

tigerite · #5 12-07-2005, 07:47 AM

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I appreciate your response, and am quite surprised at your answer to number 4. I think a very wide range is +EV here.

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I disagree. I think I'd fold almost all of them in a $109 barring occasionally the very late ones (at Party, with 1k starting stack). For the #4 it would be suited connectors-ish for me, as well, but no lower than that. Any two is definitely wrong

bennies · #6 12-07-2005, 08:25 AM

None of the above.

To number 4) - all suited connectors, suited one gappers, Axs, Kxs.

Burno · #7 12-07-2005, 03:10 PM

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I appreciate your response, and am quite surprised at your answer to number 4. I think a very wide range is +EV here.

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I disagree. I think I'd fold almost all of them in a $109 barring occasionally the very late ones (at Party, with 1k starting stack). For the #4 it would be suited connectors-ish for me, as well, but no lower than that. Any two is definitely wrong

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The $16's and $27 turbos on Stars are a pretty unique game, and are considerably softer than the $109's on party and play much differently. Because of the 5 minute levels, 1500 chip stacks, and 10/20 first level, the game is very loose and often passive early. 6 and 7 way limped pots are not uncommon. Since it is a turbo, people are in a hurry to gamble, many of them recklessly with weak holdings like TPGK or a flush draw.

Every turbo has a few donkeys who are dying to take the worst of it. They think turbo means turbo gear. They play half their hands. But you have to be in the pot to get their chips. Most of the time these loose limps are going to cost me 20 chips. Some of the time an LP raise will force me to fold. A few of these limps on level one will cost me less than 5% of my chips, and it's really not difficult to fold postflop if I don't hit the flop hard. And occasionally I don't need to hit to take the pot.

TO clarify, on number 4. I didn't mean any two for XX, it's just a really wide range, at least half. The deep stacks, low blinds, and gambooling nature of these things makes it worthwhile, methinks.

gisb0rne · #8 12-07-2005, 03:23 PM

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1. Two limpers to you in MP1 with 9Ts?
2. 4 limpers to you in the CO with 68o?
3. 1 MP limper to you on Button with 57s?
4. 3 limpers to you on button with XX? How low you go?
5. 2 limpers, you in EMP with 78s?
6. 3 limpers to you in the CO with Q9o?
7. 2 EP limpers, you in LP with J8s?

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1. Fold.
2. Fold.
3. Fold.
4. 22.
5. Fold.
6. Fold.
7. Fold.

It's not even close (for me) on any of those except 4.

pooh74 · #9 12-07-2005, 03:37 PM

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1. Two limpers to you in MP1 with 9Ts?
2. 4 limpers to you in the CO with 68o?
3. 1 MP limper to you on Button with 57s?
4. 3 limpers to you on button with XX? How low you go?
5. 2 limpers, you in EMP with 78s?
6. 3 limpers to you in the CO with Q9o?
7. 2 EP limpers, you in LP with J8s?

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1. Fold.
2. Fold.
3. Fold.
4. 22.
5. Fold.
6. Fold.
7. Fold.

It's not even close (for me) on any of those except 4.

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Im playing a lot of suited Cs 1 gappers in #4...the rest I mostly fold. #4 is in its own world here because you have 3 limpers plus the button...there are so many hands that are worth playing here in Ls 1 and 2.

durron597 · #10 12-07-2005, 03:55 PM

1. Always
2. Level 1 only
3. Level 1 only
4. Any two gapper or better connector, down to 85o and 52s, Q8+, K7o+, any suited king, A7o+, Any suited ace, all pairs (except for the hands I would raise obviously).
5. Always
6. Level 1 sometimes, depending on table
7. Level 1 always level 2 sometimes.

Buyin irrelevant, reads on the people to act after me effect my decisions.