Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:29 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Q\'s in 1/2 NL shorthanded. played right?

Full Tilt Poker Game #321681956: Table Lamb (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:06:23 ET - 2005/12/05
Seat 1: Hero ($175.85)
Seat 2: xxxxxx ($172.35)
Seat 3: xxxxxx ($241.85)
Seat 4: Villain ($208.25)
Hero posts the small blind of $1
xxxxxx posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
xxxxxx folds
Villain raises to $7
Hero raises to $15
xxxxxx folds
Villain calls $8
*** FLOP *** [5c Qc Ks]
Hero bets $20
Villain to $40
Hero to $100
Villain calls $60
*** TURN *** [5c Qc Ks] [2c]
Hero bets $60.85, and is all in
Villain calls $60.85
Hero shows [Qd Qh]
Villain shows [8c Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5c Qc Ks 2c] [6d]
Hero shows three of a kind, Queens
Villain shows a flush, King high
Villain wins the pot ($351.70) with a flush, King high

Because the flop is so prone to draws, I'm in a really tough spot. I could have just called the raise on the flop and bet out when a safe card landed on the turn. The problem is that hands like AJ or A10 and sometimes J10 will be folded to the second raise. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

~Bux
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:34 AM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mayor of Simpleton
Posts: 403
Default Re: Q\'s in 1/2 NL shorthanded. played right?

Next time don't min-raise pre-flop. Make it $25-$30 to go. 3-bet push the flop. Villain has okay real odds ($60 to win $190) and implied odds to call you. I don't think you avoid getting stacked here.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:50 AM
bizaff bizaff is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 97
Default Re: Q\'s in 1/2 NL shorthanded. played right?

A pot-sized raise after villain's raise to $40 is $130, which is close enough to pushing. One could argue a push is correct on that drawy of a board.

If you don't want to push, I wouldn't reraise the flop. Push on a safe turn. The way you played it, you don't have enough to fold him on a safe turn.

If my math is right, he still made a mistake on the flop. Prior to his last call, the pot is $170 with him to call $60. You have $60 behind. He's effectively calling $60 with the intention of winning $230, a little less than 4:1. His odds of hitting the turn are about 4.5:1.

He just got lucky.

Edit: and what 4_2_it said - poopoo on your minraise. Making a decent reraise easily gets it all in on the flop.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:57 AM
FlyingStart FlyingStart is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 50
Default Re: Q\'s in 1/2 NL shorthanded. played right?

Just stick it in there.. A threebet would probably fold out weak hands like a pair of kings no matter the size and you are only giving villain good odds + implied odds by not pushing.

When you reraise PF you show very much strength thus revealing a strong hand. Villain knows this and now because you minraised he is getting better odds to make a better-than-onepair-hand on the flop or maybe a strong draw. If I'm minraising preflop I do it with low PPs and SCs. the reason I sometimes to that is because the way I interpret minraises from others PF.. I think of them as donks who wants to extract value from their AA not realizing they are giving better implied odds. Thus when I minreraise PF (If this fits my tableimage) my FE dramaticly increases and I have a potential well concealed monster.

Therefore.. if you are deciding to reveal your hand, you should make anyone pay hard to see a flop so that their implied odds vanish
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.