Problems with Q,Q on Turn against nothing but action...

#1 11-23-2005, 06:28 PM

I am beginner, this is my second posting:

I played Q,Q against three opponents on turn. i cannot say anything about my contrahents, because I just started playing 5 minutes before this pot.

On turn I thought I had the best hand.But then came some action and i simply did not know, what to do... If I believe, that my hand is best, I have to raise. If I believe in the action of my opponents , I have to fold.

So I called, but have no idea, if this was OK...

Can someone tell me?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

krimson · #2 11-23-2005, 06:33 PM

If I believe, that my hand is best, I have to raise. If I believe in the action of my opponents , I have to fold.
This is incorrect. This is far from being a raise/fold situation and your call is correct. Essentially, you're not sure where you stand, so neither raise nor fold.

I would bet the river. I doubt he's trying to c/r you twice.

TomBrooks · #3 11-23-2005, 06:40 PM

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Ya, call the turn and bet the river when he checks. I'll bet he had a five like A5, 65, 54, or 55 and he semibluff raised his OESD on the turn hoping to make you fold. Ya, that's the ticket.

#4 11-23-2005, 06:50 PM

Good idea!

But he had no 5, he had a Jack! (One jack)

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TomBrooks · #5 11-23-2005, 07:08 PM

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But he had no 5, he had a Jack! (One jack) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Oh yeah, of course. A Jack would give him top pair so a checkraise could have meant that also.
I'm changing my awnser to 3bet the turn. Really, I'm changing my answer.

Edit: eh, a checkraise on the turn usually means the player can beat top pair (or it's a semi-bluff.) I'll go back to call the turn and bet the river. It's weird that he checked the river though. Maybe he was going for a second checkraise (not likely), or maybe he had a weak kicker and got scared when you called his checkraise (more likely.)

mute · #6 11-23-2005, 07:29 PM

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Just wanna point out, that this is often not true. Villain could easily be making this play with two pairs, and you would have outs to call.

#7 11-23-2005, 07:34 PM

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Just wanna point out, that this is often not true. Villain could easily be making this play with two pairs, and you would have outs to call.

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You are right, ty!