I catch...sort of.

QTip · #1 11-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Both are unknown

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero ?

toss · #2 11-09-2005, 02:03 PM

I'd call and see what happens on the river.

Soh · #3 11-09-2005, 02:08 PM

The pot's pretty small.

Fold.

I may be thinking wrong here, but if you're multi-tabling, and you think the decision is close, it could be better to fold, so you can concentrate for other tables.

Soh

droolie · #4 11-09-2005, 02:10 PM

Ick. What a time to get donked. Youhave 3 clean outs and a whole lot of worry that you're currently behind. All other outs are suspect at best.

Your flop bet certainly might look like a positional bet to MP1 but what's he donking here with? A flush draw? A weaker Q? I doubt it. He probably has a made str8 or 2 pr at worst. This pot is small. I probably let it go but since I'm closing the action I might call and see what he does on the river.

#5 11-09-2005, 02:11 PM

I think a fold is good to the turn donk. It's a small pot with 5.75 BB's to you. I think your J, Q, K outs are tainted, especially with MP2 calling. I think the turn donk indicates a hand that beats you most of the time.

With a better read, I think I can find arguments for calling down or raising for a free showdown and some fold equity, but I like a fold against two unknowns here.

toss · #6 11-09-2005, 02:12 PM

I'd say 5.75BB is more of a medium sized pot.

uw_madtown · #7 11-09-2005, 02:15 PM

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I may be thinking wrong here, but if you're multi-tabling, and you think the decision is close, it could be better to fold, so you can concentrate for other tables.

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That's a pretty terrible reason to fold. I'm not saying that you don't end up abandoning some slim EV decisions when multitabling, but you shouldn't actively look for chances to ditch a hand so you can concentrate on others.

Anyway, as for the hand, I agree -- call and see what comes on the river. Donkbetting this turn could be an oddly played A, a weaker Q, a new diamond draw, lots of things. Re-evaluate on the river.

@bsolute_luck · #8 11-09-2005, 02:52 PM

that's tough without a read. 2pair/straight/flush draw all there, not to mention you have someone in the middle- who knows what he has, so i'm very unsure about what cards could come that would help other than the 3 non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ks. tough to count outs, but you have position on the river and he may simply check his missed draw. raising, IMO, isn't an option.

krimson · #9 11-09-2005, 03:37 PM

Is there really any value in this flop bet? The pot is pretty small, lots of opponents, and we didn't show any aggressio pre-flop so our fold-equity isn't very high. I suppose sometimes we can get JT, QT to fold, but I think they call fairly often since our bet looks fishy. I think a freecard is optimal here personally.

thejameser · #10 11-09-2005, 03:41 PM

easy fold against unknowns. i hate to overcall here without a stronger holding or more outs to a stronger holding.