A4s in the big blind.

#1 11-03-2005, 01:02 AM

UTG+1 is a solid tag, MP1 and Button both loose and passive.

I was going to c/r the flop if both donkeys came along but flat called when only one came along for the fun.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, MP1 (poster) calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

River: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets

Nick C · #2 11-03-2005, 01:21 AM

I think UTG+1 will most likely fold.

The unfortunate thing is that if Button was chasing a gutshot, he has at least a pair now. But maybe he has overcards instead. Or maybe he'll call with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I kind of doubt Button will fold a pair he caught on the river, but maybe he'll decide the board is too scary to be calling a bet with his pocket 4's.

Anyway, I think this bet usually will not work, but maybe it will often enough. It seems worth a shot to me.

hobbsmann · #3 11-03-2005, 04:29 AM

cheak raise the flop.

#4 11-03-2005, 04:48 AM

You are getting equity to raise the flop here. I don't like the river raise. A lot of pairs will call you down here, and the preflop raiser may even call you down with A high and a better kicker. I probably check fold this river.

MyTurn2Raise · #5 11-03-2005, 04:53 AM

I might be spewing, but I'd come out and bet that flop straight away.

My thinking is that UTG+1 will raise if he has an overpair, a big ace-broadway, and/or TT. If he has an overpair, his raise will be good because it will likely chase away the donks (who might also be holding an A) and create 3 outs for you. If UTG+1 has a big ace, he now must fear that you paired the flop and you can lead out at the turn or river, or 3-bet the flop based on how you've seen UTG+1 play. You have a great semi-bluffing hand, I'd play it hard.

If UTG+1 just calls....crap.

flopmonster · #6 11-03-2005, 04:58 AM

CHECK RAISE THIS FLOP

Nick C · #7 11-03-2005, 05:42 AM

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Yeah, okay. I'm all right with a flop checkraise.

However, the third player in cuts down on our ability to steal the pot later if the PFR is on overcards.

Also, if the PFR has an overpair and 3-bets and that 3-bet chases the third player out, well, that's not the greatest result, though I guess it might at least buy us two outs.

MyTurn2Raise · #8 11-03-2005, 05:44 AM

why would the HERO not lead out with a bet on the flop?

Nick C · #9 11-03-2005, 05:47 AM

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Versus three opponents, I think you're most likely going to need to improve to win.

I don't think we really want the PFR raising with an overpair, either, though I'll admit that it might buy us two outs if he did.

private joker · #10 11-03-2005, 05:57 AM

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Betting this flop is terrible. I shouldn't need to elaborate: but in case I do, why would you bet with a PFR directly to your left who will raise and blow away the field -- the field you need to pad the pot for your nut flush draw?