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#1 11-03-2005, 08:12 AM

UTG+2 - 55/5/1 about 50 hands
MP1 - 52/6/1 about 50 hands
MP2 - 33/4/3 about 50 hands
Button - no read
BB - 42/10/1.3

Interested in the flop and the river here. I thought I would try just calling the flop and then protecting on the turn. For those who aggree with calling the flop, do you raise with the Kh? Also is there value in this river bet? Is bet/fold an option? Is bet/call an option?

thanks

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero ??.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

whodaman · #2 11-03-2005, 08:19 AM

raise the flop. This should dramatically increase the chances of getting BB and Button to fold. Also you may get UTG+2 to 3bet and clear the field.
Check the river. Is this a joke? There is a 4 straight and the flush just came in. You have 1 pair.

#3 11-03-2005, 08:21 AM

Raise the flop for value. I think that sometimes people become way too obsessed with protecting their hands, and they forget about value. You are up against a bunch of really bad players. You don't even need to give these guys credit for a draw as strong as a flush draw or straight draw. They could be calling down with Q10, or Ax, or bottom pair. I would bet the river and *probably* fold to a raise, especially if other people call the raise.

#4 11-03-2005, 08:23 AM

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raise the flop. This should dramatically increase the chances of getting BB and Button to fold. Also you may get UTG+2 to 3bet and clear the field.
Check the river. Is this a joke? There is a 4 straight and the flush just came in. You have 1 pair.

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If the players weren't so incredibly donkified I would agree with checking the river, however I think that you can bet this for value and get called by quite a few worse hands.

#5 11-03-2005, 08:30 AM

Yeah,I checked, I just wanted to put it out there. I think betting is an option here, and just wanted to know what people think.

Chris Daddy Cool · #6 11-03-2005, 08:46 AM

closing the action on the flop i'd consider calling. however with two players left to act, i'd like to force them to call two cold right now.

i'd bet the river. the scariest river card imaginable just fell off and they still checked to you. most players will realize what a bad card that is and bet out their hands with the aggressor last to act in fear of it getting it checked through so them having a flush or a straight isn't as high as you'd think.

#7 11-03-2005, 09:52 AM

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most players will realize what a bad card that is and bet out their hands with the aggressor last to act in fear of it getting it checked through so them having a flush or a straight isn't as high as you'd think.

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Good point.

flopmonster · #8 11-03-2005, 10:22 AM

I check there bc a straight may fear flush or a two pair may fear whatever so I think checking is the correct play, but i am also a vag