Too weak tight? KK 100nl

#1 11-02-2005, 05:32 AM

Pokerroom 100nl full ring

Im new to the table
Hero 95
Villain 175

preflop
Hero is dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and raises to 4 UTG+1, folded around to Villain in SB who calls, BB folds

flop
8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
pot 9

Villain checks, hero bets 8, villain calls

Turn
6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
pot 25

Villain checks, Hero bets 12, Villain min raises to 24, hero folds

#2 11-02-2005, 06:28 AM

anybody awake?

xorbie · #3 11-02-2005, 06:42 AM

I would check the turn but fold as played.

evil_twin · #4 11-02-2005, 06:54 AM

Care to explain the thinking in folding? It's been a long time since I played at these levels, but folding here seems insane to me.

xorbie · #5 11-02-2005, 06:59 AM

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Care to explain the thinking in folding? It's been a long time since I played at these levels, but folding here seems insane to me.

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Yeah the other guy has trips so KK is not winning therefor I would fold.

evil_twin · #6 11-02-2005, 07:04 AM

Last time I played 100nl the range of hands that would minraise the turn like that was vastly wider than trips, I'd see it with hands as weak as 99.

Surely there is a non-neglegable chance he'll check the river to you and you can check behind. If he bets strongly then a fold seems reasonable. I'm afraid folding the turn seems horrendusly weak to me at this level.

Perhaps the games have got a lot tougher since I was playing 100nl (on Pokerroom no less), ooh maybe 18 months ago?

xorbie · #7 11-02-2005, 07:09 AM

I don't understand how this makes the game tough at all. The guy here is telegraphing his hand. The game would be a lot tougher if he might do this wiht 99.

Malachii · #8 11-02-2005, 07:12 AM

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I would check the turn but fold as played.

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Me too.

evil_twin · #9 11-02-2005, 07:15 AM

That's a fair point. If you're entirely sure that he's only minraising the turn with a strong made hand then I guess a fold is in order. I'm not convinced and I suppose I would lose that extra $12 to find out for sure.

My memory is that those guys loved to convince themselves every single preflop raiser has AK, but since I haven't played that level for ages I defer to your knowledge.

BlackRain · #10 11-02-2005, 07:48 AM

I agree with the poster who said players min raise here with a much wider range of hands than a set. I think you are ahead greater than 50% of the time in fact. I think you want to call and get a cheap showdown. This is a default fold in 100 NL when you are more than miniraised on the turn.