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Old 10-29-2005, 09:40 AM
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Default K8s with position

<font color="purple"> Villian is 61/2/.5, only 50 hands </font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (8 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB
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Old 10-29-2005, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: K8s with position

Raise the flop.
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Old 10-29-2005, 11:17 AM
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Raise the flop.

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Old 10-29-2005, 07:14 PM
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*bump*
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Old 10-29-2005, 08:09 PM
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SMALL POT: i don't mind NOT raising the flop. other than QJ, our hand can stand to let people make a second best hand. they'd have to catch their 5-3 outer or catch runner-runner non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

that said: your turn and river don't make much sense to me. what suddenly changed that you needed to get rid of SB and get HU with a possibly dominated hand?
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Old 10-29-2005, 08:22 PM
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SMALL POT: i don't mind NOT raising the flop. other than QJ, our hand can stand to let people make a second best hand. they'd have to catch their 5-3 outer or catch runner-runner non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

that said: your turn and river don't make much sense to me. what suddenly changed that you needed to get rid of SB and get HU with a possibly dominated hand?

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I know the turn was the wrong decision, that's why I posted.
FYI. I panicked on the spade turn. With SB still behind me on the river it would have made a call a harder decision and if he doesn't have the K but does have spades or SD, it extracts more money from him and the aggression factor of villian pretty much negated a 3 bet.



I wanted to get people's preferred turn lines here.

I bumped this because I DOUBLE HATE a flop raise.
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Old 10-29-2005, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: K8s with position

One or both of your opponents will almost certainly be making a mistake if they make it to the river for even 1 bet. Your 8 kicker isn't bad, but you'll still be drawing fairly often vs a passive-seeming bettor. You have plenty of outs when behind.

Call the turn and bet the river UI if checked to.

Edit: Call the flop. Your hand can stand some company in this small pot.
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Old 10-29-2005, 08:32 PM
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At first, I thought it was OK to slowplay this flop, since the pot is small, but I think a raise is better here. The pot isn't tiny, and any gutshot -- especially one with an A -- will have decent implied odds to stick around if you just call the flop, and the pot isn't tiny. So, make it unprofitable for the weak draws here, and get anyone also on a flush draw to give you more.

I think I'd bet the river. A stronger K would have probably 3-bet the turn, and a weaker K or pair &lt; TP may pay off. Villain is passive, so I think you can get away if he raises.
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Old 10-29-2005, 09:10 PM
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Raise the flop. It's a win-win situation where you win more by raising than by calling. Remember if you win this pot, most of the time it will be with a pair of kings and not a flush.
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Old 10-30-2005, 12:14 AM
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as others have said, raise the flop

why the river check?
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