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Old 10-24-2005, 02:05 AM
Toddy Toddy is offline
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Default Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

I've learned a lot from this board. I used to be afraid to make calls with 2nd pair. Now I do it with confidence.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t1090)
MP1 (t3300)
MP2 (t910)
CO (t3310)
Hero (t4070)
SB (t1410)
BB (t3930)
UTG (t6680)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
[color=#666666]5 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t200</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t450) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets t300</font>, Hero calls t300.

Turn: (t1050) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets t400</font>, Hero calls t400.

River: (t1850) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t1850

Also.. Very tight table. I would never normally ever raise this hand in a million yrs.
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:08 AM
billyjex billyjex is offline
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

I like it. Most players won't donk with a good hand. He probably just figured the flop missed you and he wants to take it cheaply.

If he bets the river.. then its a little tricky.
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

this looks very standard. i can't imagine folding on that kind of board.

and you would never raise a suited gapper on the button when folded around to you? in a million years?

i hope you just mean in the first four levels, cause i'm raising the top 50% hands on the button when its folded to me
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

i like it, but i think raise to 300 PF.

Otherwise, looks good.
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

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this looks very standard. i can't imagine folding on that kind of board.

and you would never raise a suited gapper on the button when folded around to you? in a million years?

i hope you just mean in the first four levels, cause i'm raising the top 50% hands on the button when its folded to me

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Yes exactly.. early on I like limping and taking bigger pots..
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

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i like it, but i think raise to 300 PF.

Otherwise, looks good.

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RAise to 300 PF?
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

yea, min-raise at these blind levels isn't quite enough to get the fold equity you want.
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Old 10-24-2005, 03:54 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

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i like it, but i think raise to 300 PF.

Otherwise, looks good.

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RAise to 300 PF?

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Unless a min-raise is going to make the BB commit a significant part of his stack he should call with almost any two. He's getting more than 3-1 pot odds. You can't make it that easy. When you see how many more folds you get with a 3BB raise you'll probably start raising with alot more hands.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:01 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

but watch out, if you think you have observant opponents, make sure you vary your stealing amount, especially if a steal gets to showdown.

some people subconsciously raise different amounts to steal than a real raise.

and just as a word of advice, practice taking good notes on the two players to your left and right, this will help with pf shenannigans.

sry for the ramble [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:29 AM
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Default Re: Pre 2+2 forums I would have folded this.

Did 2+2 teach you to min-raise?
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