4 handed KK value bet ?

baronzeus · #1 10-22-2005, 08:02 PM

K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG 4 handed.

Button is a 2+2er. He's aggressive, but not as aggressive as me. Also, he knows who I am and I know who he is. We disagreed on the river play in this hand.

I raise UTG, Button 3bets, folded to me and I cap (for deception [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )

Flop A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet, he calls.

Turn 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, he calls.

River 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check. I think I'm calling a bet.

lautzutao · #2 10-22-2005, 08:10 PM

Why not bet/fold?

Edit-You think he's been calling down with Ax?

baronzeus · #3 10-22-2005, 08:12 PM

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Why not bet/fold?

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because, i didnt think he'd call a bet with any hand that I'd beat. I could only think of QQ that he'd definitely call.

edit: The more I think about it, the more I like betting here.

#4 10-22-2005, 08:36 PM

Is he more likely to call a bet with a J than to value bet one? If he's a reasonable player then that's all we need really to know.

GetThere1Time · #5 10-22-2005, 08:50 PM

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edit: The more I think about it, the more I like betting here.

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If one bet's going in on the river regardless than I agree that betting's best.

How bout a check fold? What does he really have here that would bet the river that we beat?

lautzutao · #6 10-22-2005, 08:54 PM

A Jack?

If villian had an Ace why wouldn't he have let us know already?

baronzeus · #7 10-22-2005, 08:55 PM

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A Jack?

If villian had an Ace why wouldn't he have let us know already?

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i think if he has an A, raising anywhere is bad unless its AJ and maybe AK. getting passive when im betting is probably good.

brazilio · #8 10-22-2005, 09:00 PM

That all depends on whether he's going to call a bet with a J, I bet because he knows you're a LAG and he's hoping KJ is beating your preflop cap with TT.

Lmn55d · #9 10-22-2005, 09:01 PM

I think that bet/fold and check/fold are both better than check/call. He's not gonna value bet a Jack I don't think becuase he won't expect you to call with a lower pocket pair (KQ is the only hand he might bluff if he called the turn with it). I don't think he would value bet QQ either. So how often will he call with Jx or QQ here? It seems pretty close in my mind but I really hate check/call.

flawless_victory · #10 10-22-2005, 09:49 PM

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I think that bet/fold and check/fold are both better than check/call.

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