Trips w/ Ace Kicker, what's my line?

I guess I blew this one, but I was UTG and nervous about a small boat. Should I have value bet this turn? Anyone pot the turn?

#Game No : 2892996566
***** Hand History for Game 2892996566 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Monday, October 17, 22:32:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 68515 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AEROg ( $25.60 )
Seat 2: SAVIZIN ( $4.50 )
Seat 3: btmzup ( $8.92 )
Seat 4: Lausyd ( $10.17 )
Seat 5: AmourOfGod ( $30.20 )
Seat 7: golfnerp ( $24.75 )
Seat 9: adidas09 ( $7.03 )
Seat 10: Googlepogg ( $10.06 )
Seat 6: davebreal ( $11.75 )
davebreal posts small blind [$0.10].
golfnerp posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to davebreal [ 4d 6s Tc Ac ]
adidas09 calls [$0.25].
Googlepogg calls [$0.25].
AEROg calls [$0.25].
SAVIZIN folds.
btmzup calls [$0.25].
Lausyd calls [$0.25].
AmourOfGod calls [$0.25].
davebreal calls [$0.15].
golfnerp checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, Th, 7c ]
Redrum180 has joined the table.
davebreal bets [$1.90].
golfnerp calls [$1.90].
adidas09 folds.
Googlepogg folds.
AEROg folds.
btmzup folds.
Lausyd folds.
AmourOfGod folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
davebreal checks.
golfnerp checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
davebreal bets [$1].
golfnerp raises [$8.55].
davebreal folds.
golfnerp does not show cards.
golfnerp wins $15
adidas09 has left the table.
Game #2893005136 starts.

[bodie]

dave,
You led out after the flop, showing strength, and golfnerp called.
On the turn, you still had top set and nut flush draw. I think you should have bet here. Maybe potted it. Then golfnerp might have thought you flopped a boat - at least it would have showed strength and he wouldn't have been exactly sure. But you told him you were drawing by checking. You gave him a free card.
On the river, you didn't fill up, you did get nut flush - but you weakly bet $1.00. I would have called golfnerp's river bet just in case he was making a play at the pot. Of course, if you find he had pocket Jacks, you're screwed, but I think it's worth a try. He might have had a smaller set or even a smaller flush. Who knows. It would help if you knew something about golfnerp's play, of course.

I'm being pessimistic about the situation, and saying that he had J-10-x-x with that river bet. You're right though, I could have considered a river call with the flush, maybe he only had a straight and thought he could take it down.

[gergery]

In general I don’t like your line here.

If you are going to check the turn, which shows weakness and induces a bluff, then you have to call the river. This just encourages people to bluff you. I’d need a fairly good read or some PT data on this guy to lay this down.

With just trips with an A, I can see an argument for pot control and just checking the turn. But you had a good low draw as well. FYI, I think the main value from the flush draw is that it encourages a weaker flush with Tx to stick around if it misses the boat. Other than that it only helps you break a tie with another AT, since you are ahead of any non ace Txxx now anyway.

I also don’t like the tiny river bet which screams out, “please raise me, I’m weak!”

--greg

That guy did end up Potting a bunch of rivers without going to a showdown. You're right, even on the outside chance that the Jack gave him a full, I probably should have looked him up. I have no reason to believe he was trapping with 10-3, 10-4, 3-3, etc.

From the hands I witnessed with him, he was a solid and occasionally tricky player.

[bodie]

"From the hands I witnessed with him, he was a solid and occasionally tricky player."

But from your hand with him - it's hard to tell because you sort of "handed" it to him on a silver platter. In this case he was just taking advantage of an opportunity - though of course we'll never know whether he actually had a winning hand or not.

Next time!