Unknown Donkbet - Raise the river?

#1 10-17-2005, 03:00 AM

Sorry, no reads in the hand. I feel i played this way too passively, a turn raise seems counterproductive, but should i be raising the river here?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

jaxUp · #2 10-17-2005, 03:02 AM

I think a raise is in order (on the river). We will see a lot of worse J's and 5's here.

DCWildcat · #3 10-17-2005, 03:06 AM

Raise that river. A 3 is possible, but a weaker jaxup is more likely. Pun intended.

Eeegah · #4 10-17-2005, 05:37 AM

Why are you folks raising the river and not the turn? Just a WA/WB line?

I also give more credit for 55, J5 or trips than the guys above, as slowplayed top pair is pretty rare in my experience--especially in multiway pots. I suspect we're behind more often than we're ahead--you played it fine IMO.

#5 10-17-2005, 06:02 AM

BB, random cards from an unknown, I call down.

If Hero wasn't the PFR, I'd go for a river raise. Villian has donked into aggression. I give him 60% credit for the 3.

You don't want to raise the turn here.

#6 10-17-2005, 07:05 AM

BB was in good position to checkraise you, and probably would have if he hit the J. I think it's more likely he has you beat with trips or 2 pair. Just call down.

MATT111 · #7 10-17-2005, 07:09 AM

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Why are you folks raising the river and not the turn? Just a WA/WB line?

I also give more credit for 55, J5 or trips than the guys above, as slowplayed top pair is pretty rare in my experience--especially in multiway pots. I suspect we're behind more often than we're ahead--you played it fine IMO.

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I disagree. A very strong hand will most likely go for a c/r on the turn. He very probably has 2nd pair or a weak j and does not want to give a free card. I think waiting for the river to put a raise in is perfect.

Edit: I forgot small pocket pairs that play like this.

@bsolute_luck · #8 10-17-2005, 08:10 AM

why do you think a turn raise is counterproductive? if he has a jack, he'll most likely pay you off. so raising the turn or the river is the same. the problem with waiting for the river is the possibility of a check/call when he would have paid the extra turn bet as well as the river.

Duerig · #9 10-17-2005, 08:15 AM

I would raise the river. I think you are ahead >50% of the time here.

Koss · #10 10-17-2005, 09:21 AM

Would a raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet be out of line here. Raising the turn can work for both a value and information standpoint.