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| (8) The Fresh Prince of Bel Air |
   
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156 | 53.79% |
| (9) Curb Your Enthusiasm |
  
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134 | 46.21% |
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#1
10-10-2005, 01:45 PM
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OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
Saturday I opened a Stars account because I could not log into Party. I was happy to see that the turbos had a lower rake! ... But only 9 players??? So I wondered if this lower rake would improve my currently break-even [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ROI. So I put this little analysis together. Other factors such as skill level will affect ROI, but I don't know how to measure that. Does anyone know if Stars players (at the low buy-ins) are better/worse than Party players? Anyway here is my quick analysis.
..................Stars......Party # Games..............12.........12 # Players.............9.........10 Buy-In...........$15.00.....$10.00 Fee...............$1.00......$1.00 Total Buy-In.....$16.00.....$11.00 Rake %.............6.7%......10.0% Payout % 1st.................50% 50% 2nd.................30% 30% 3rd.................20% 20% OOTM.................0% 0% 1st Finishes..........1..........1 2nd Finishes..........1..........1 3rd Finishes..........3..........3 OOTM..................7..........7 Total Games Played...12.........12 Cost.............$192.00...$132.00 Winnings.........$189.00...$140.00 Profit/(Loss)....$(3.00).....$8.00 ROI %.............-1.6%.......6.1% ITM %.............41.7%......41.7% So I guess I need to stay at Party because that one additional player outways the lower rake... unless their servers are down... and obviously continue to work on my 'break-even' game [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 
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#3
10-10-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
your ITM sucks, why so many 3rds.
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#4
10-10-2005, 01:56 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
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your ITM sucks, why so many 3rds. [/ QUOTE ] Well this was a hypothetical calculation... but I do get more 3rds than 1st and 2nds and I coincidentally just posted about that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#5
10-10-2005, 01:58 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
yeah definately look into fixing that, your roi can jump a ton obviously with a lot more 1sts even if ITM goes down. If the other one is the A9 all in I think i still make that move but I think its close.
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#6
10-10-2005, 01:59 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
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You forgot to take into account that it is easier to win/finish ITM with only 9 players. Kind of a big point, don't you think? [/ QUOTE ] That is a good point, but again how do I measure that in terms of ROI (11% chance at a 9 table vs a 10% chance at a 10 table)? Similar to how do I measure the skill level impact on ROI at Party vs. Stars?
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#7
10-10-2005, 02:00 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
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[ QUOTE ] your ITM sucks, why so many 3rds. [/ QUOTE ] Well this was a hypothetical calculation... but I do get more 3rds than 1st and 2nds and I coincidentally just posted about that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Thats a big problem...Or, I should say, over a large sample that can be indicative of a big problem.
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#8
10-10-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] your ITM sucks, why so many 3rds. [/ QUOTE ] Well this was a hypothetical calculation... but I do get more 3rds than 1st and 2nds and I coincidentally just posted about that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Thats a big problem...Or, I should say, over a large sample that can be indicative of a big problem. [/ QUOTE ] Any suggestions? Maybe you want to post answer on that post...
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#9
10-10-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
Seems like lower rake will be better. I know almost nothing about the stars games or players and am interested in the subject, but don't want to be the one to ask all the dumb questions where the answer is "do a search" or "look at the stars website", so someone else please ask some dumb questions.
Also, I want to see the results of the poll, so I am going to vote that they are the same, eventhough I have no idea.
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#10
10-10-2005, 02:19 PM
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Re: OT: Party vs Stars (ROI impact)
The A9 hand I would probably fold, he raised almost half your stack...unless you are sure you have his range beat, then I would fold. (note: you most likely do have his range beat, but you have no FE, so why not call and push in on the flop maybe). I would just fold and wait for a btter spot or the other guy to bust...Not to say I wouldnt push A9 as first in...absolutely!
The thing I bet is your problem is that you are not playing a bigstack optimally on the bubble and are content staying average to squeek in. You are probably playing with fear of busting 4th or 5th very often and are not enetering ITM with a healthy stack. These are just my guesses.
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