JJ on first hand of the tourney, 20+2 Party 10k guar.

#1 10-07-2005, 09:56 AM

I, like a lot of people, have a lot of trouble playing JJ. Whether it works in any given case or not, I often feel like I'm fumbling around in the dark with it. So, I could use some suggestions on what to do with it here. I obviously have absolutely no reads on villain, as it is the first hand of the tourney.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Hero (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 5 folds, Hero calls t60, 2 folds.

Flop: (t142.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t150, Hero...

Brad F. · #2 10-07-2005, 10:08 AM

You absolutely need to reraise PF. If you are afraid of playing them post flop this is even more the correct move.

For example, you reraise to 180 Preflop. He calls. This flop comes, he will most likely check to you and you can take the pot.

Another example, you reraise to 180 Preflop, he reraises you to 400. You can reconsider your move here based on his strength.

Now that you just called, his range is huge. Because of this, you have to reraise on the flop. I'd say to 400. If he comes back over the top, you can maybe get away. But this guy raised 4x the BB in the first level of a tourney. This could be done with many different hands.

Passive play with JJ most of the time doesn't work out.

Brad

#3 10-07-2005, 07:23 PM

Hero raises to t450, UTG+1 calls t300.

Turn: (t1042.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero...

#4 10-07-2005, 07:27 PM

This is a horrible card for you since many bad players won't let go of AK even when it's obvious they are beat. Also it made the flush draw. I check behind and hope to get a cheap showdown on the river. Probably folding to any decent river bet by him.

DyessMan89 · #5 10-07-2005, 07:30 PM

You could argue the play of flat calling. The raise come from EP, and against a typical opponent, your range isnt that much better than this. But I think flat calling creates more questions then it solves. I think re-raising narrows his hands a bit, and if he comes over the top you can safley fold assuming a bigger pair or at the very least AK. It will also help your decision post-flop.

#6 10-07-2005, 08:15 PM

I pushed the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the turn for my remaining 490. I figured that he didn't have an A. No board paired A was good enough to raise UTG, and I didn't figure that A high called the re-raise on the flop. I was somewhat concerned about a set, but I figured a set or a pair better than JJ probably pushed the flop after my re-raise, and I figured that even KK or QQ would likely fold to a push when an A came out. I also figured that I probably had the spades as outs. He could have held the K or Q of spades, but I didn't think that he did, because as I said before, I didn't think AK or AQ (or I suppose even KsQs) called the flop re-raise. Although the KsQs might have.

Is this line okay, or did I make a huge blunder by pushing here?

ghostface · #7 10-07-2005, 08:47 PM

hes not folding anything that beats you.