Two medium pairs and a OESD.

#1 10-04-2005, 04:05 PM

[Hand 1]
Button is LP.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero...

[Hand 2]
MP3 is LP.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero...

[Hand 3]
UTG is LP.
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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero...

How much are these draws worth? And what should I do?

davelin · #2 10-04-2005, 04:16 PM

Hand 1 - Fold
Hand 2 - Call down
Hand 3 - Call

tiltaholic · #3 10-04-2005, 04:24 PM

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Hand 1 - Fold
Hand 2 - Call down
Hand 3 - Call

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lautzutao · #4 10-04-2005, 04:28 PM

We afraid of a 6 here on hand 2? Seems a bit unlikely doesn't it?

*EDIT* NM, LP read

Vote4Pedro · #5 10-04-2005, 04:28 PM

Is calling in Hand 1 that bad? Getting 7:1?

#6 10-04-2005, 04:29 PM

Hand 1 - Fold
Why is that? I am probably behind but I have 5 outs to trips or twopair and 1.5 outs to a flush, making me a 7.2-to-1 dog in a 7-to-1 pot. If I hit my draw I should be able to pick up 2 extra BBs from him. And as I want to knock people out I think I should raise. Thoughts on this?

Hand 2 - Call down
What are we hoping to win against here? What hands would he donk the turn with that I can beat? I have virtualy no outs here, only two tens.

Hand 3 - Call
Guess thats fine...

#7 10-04-2005, 04:34 PM

Hand 1 - fold - 3rd pair is unlikely the best hand, nor are you sure you will get odds to draw OOP

Hand 2 - any read? lots of players will slowplay trips until the turn. raise if you think you're best, call down if not

hand 3 - again - a read would be good here. With no read, UTG either has the flush or is drawing. I'd call and reassess on the next street.

#8 10-04-2005, 04:56 PM

The reads are there, look closer... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
The villians in these 3 hands are loose passive.

#9 10-04-2005, 05:17 PM

Hand 1 I'm definitely calling. We have slightly less than the required odds to call Button's bet on the flop, but there are 3 other players behind us, and are they all going to fold? No, they're not. Enough of them will call to give us the odds to make this call as well.

Hand 2, call down to showdown.

Hand 3, I would have open bet that flop every time. We have 4 to a flush, and an open ended straight draw. We have 17 outs to a straight, flush, or top pair! Since I accidentally clicked on "check", and UTG bet and everyone else folded, probably I might as well call. Raising doesn't do me a lot of good against just one player, and out of position, especially since the read given on him is LP and therefore my flush draw may be no good.

DCWildcat · #10 10-04-2005, 05:53 PM

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Hand 3, I would have open bet that flop every time. We have 4 to a flush, and an open ended straight draw. We have 17 outs to a straight, flush, or top pair! Since I accidentally clicked on "check", and UTG bet and everyone else folded, probably I might as well call. Raising doesn't do me a lot of good against just one player, and out of position, especially since the read given on him is LP and therefore my flush draw may be no good.

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I'm not sure about this. Many times our t-high flush won't be good. Many times our straight/top pair will be counterfeited by a flush. 17 outs is far too generous here; I'd still check/call, and be wary of what happens if a flush call falls on the turn.