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10-05-2005, 08:03 PM
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Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
About 4 hands earlier i had flopped Aces up and then folded to a gigantic raise by villain on river. He told me "2pr" in chat box and i told him that i folded A's and 8's. Anyhow, on to this hand.
NL 50 6 MAX Hero is SB w/ K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero raies to $2. BB calls. MP1 calls $1.5, MP2 calls $1.5,CO folds. Flop: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6s [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pot~$8 Hero bets $6. BB calls. MP1 folds, MP2 folds. Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] pot~$20 Hero bets $14. BB calls. River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] pot~$48 Hero checks, BB moves all-in for $35. Hero calls. is this a bad call or is this the right move to make? My thinking was that since he had just pushed me off of the best hand that he would think he could do it again. Also, the way he had been playing i could expect a raise on 3rd or 4th if he had a flush draw. Thoughts, Comments. 
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#2
10-05-2005, 08:13 PM
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Re: Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
I like to bet more preflop, like $3. Flop is good, turn is good. On the river though I think it's better to bet half the pot, and fold to a raise. That way you can get away when he really does have the flush. And if he doesn't have the flush, well just be glad he doesn't. If he folds so be it, maybe he'll call with some trash.
Be careful thinking too deeply about players trying to put moves on you.
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#3
10-05-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
I think it's pretty likely villain is on the flush draw here. He wouldn't raise the flop, since he's better off hoping for a call from one of the players after him and getting good pot odds that way, than trying to buy a free turn card.
No point in raising the turn either - that would pretty much pot-commit him. What do you put him on that you beat? 98? A7? I'd full-pot the turn, cut his odds.
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#4
10-05-2005, 08:18 PM
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Re: Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
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I like to bet more preflop, like $3. Flop is good, turn is good. On the river though I think it's better to bet half the pot, and fold to a raise. That way you can get away when he really does have the flush. And if he doesn't have the flush, well just be glad he doesn't. If he folds so be it, maybe he'll call with some trash. Be careful thinking too deeply about players trying to put moves on you. [/ QUOTE ] You can't block the river - villain only has 35 behind. A block bet of $20 would leave you only $15 to call if villain pushed, You'd have to call $15 into almost $100.
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#6
10-05-2005, 08:30 PM
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Re: Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
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Then push the turn? [/ QUOTE ] I'd prefer to pot the turn, and then pay-off villain if the flush comes. No need to push the turn - just get a big enough fraction of his stack in so that you can afford to pay him off if he hits. If he calls your $20 on the turn, and you pay off his $30 push on the river, he paid $20 to win $70 and so still made a mistake in calling the turn. The way it was played here, villain was charged $15 on the turn to win $70, and so got correct odds (assuming you don't lay this down).
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#10
10-05-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Inducing the Bluff, KK hand
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Ahh cool, I've never looked at it this way. So does this mean you check/call the river? [/ QUOTE ] Sure. Over-charge him on the turn, and then check-call the river. Even though you make a mistake paying him off on the river, villain made a bigger mistake on the turn, and so your line is +EV. Also, sometimes you catch a bluff from a missed straight draw...
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