Semi-slowplay with underfull

[blumpkin22]

Standard?

7 Card Stud High ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (1.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (6.90 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls
Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___raises

River - (15.90 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___calls
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls
Hero: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (18.90 BB)

[sexdrugsmoney]

Love the raise on 4th, I'm PUKING because of your 5th st play though, RAISE!!!

[blumpkin22]

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Love the raise on 4th, I'm PUKING your 5th play though, RAISE!!!

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Give it a second look.

[sexdrugsmoney]

I don't know what I'm looking at. (no results)

I assume you won, but 'flush boy' will still pay your raise on 5th.

[snowden719]

given 2 dead 4's and 1 dead Q by 5th, I think you have to raise 5th, there is too good a chance that the flush draw will cold call 2, or that he has some other hand that will cold call 2 or wouldn;t call 1, and you might win a 3rd bet by someone betting queens up. Only 1 combination has you beat, unless you really think that the first player won;t cold call this is a big mistake.

[blumpkin22]

Please explain. I am not thinking just about the fifth street action when I do not raise there.

[lstream]

I see what you are doing on fifth and I think I like it for the deception value. When the fours are paired and you back down, seat one who is very likely on a flush draw figures his flush has to be good on sixth. You also want him in the hand and drawing for that flush.

If you raise fifth and he figures you for a boat, he likely folds. You may have also driven out seat five who makes a bad decision and hangs around to the end as things turn out.

So all in all, maybe you get one or two more big bets on fifth by raising, but you could also end up with nothing more. As things turn out and the flush hits, you end up collecting 8 big bets from your victims on sixth and seventh.

If seat 5's hand hand not been so dead, I would agree entitrely with raising fifth. So I think this was a pretty slick play that worked out perfectly for you.

[beta1607]

You would raise 5th with two pair right or trips right?

Then why the heck not with a boat. The flush draw is comming along for two bets and you will still likely get paid off on 6th. I think you cost yourself a bet from seat 1 and a bet from seat 5 in this hand by not raising.

[blumpkin22]

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You would raise 5th with two pair right or trips right?

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Trips, definitely. Two pair I might fold, depending on my read of the player with the (xx)Q44; he's representing a hand that beats Jacks up, and there's really no reason not to believe him. Actually, if I didn't catch on fifth and he caught the open pair and bet I'd almost surely fold, given the fourth street action.

Thus calling is essentially telling everyone I have jacks up but don't want to fold.

[Jeffage]

Played extremely well. My only quibble is with 3rd street. I would complete here if I decided to play. Your call on 5th is perfect b/c you don't mind the likely 4-flush to continue drawing dead and it could confuse him abotu your holding if you hit, which it clearly did. Nice play all around.

Jeff