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#1
09-25-2005, 05:04 PM
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Full hand that Im posting here
Table started out short but had just filled up.
SB just sat and is unknown. Party 30/60 9 handed. EP lag raises, another LAG CCs in MP, I CC on his left with QhJh. Button CCs and blinds come along. Flop is J53 2 clubs. checked to PFR who bets, MP raises, I 3bet, sb immediately calls 3 cold. BB and PFR fold, MP calls. Turn is Qd. Checked to me, I bet, only SB calls. River Tc. Check, Check. 
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#2
09-25-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
i think i know why youre posting this here and i dont blame you, because this is arguably the best strategy forum on twoplustwo for the time being, but if people start posting full ring games here it diminishes its purpose.
as for the hand i like everything up until the river in which case the action is pretty close. i think you should value bet against an unknown because odds are that hes a fish in which case he doesnt have to have a flush draw or a hand that beats you. you should expect to see a flush draw donk the river a good portion of the time which increases the likelihood that youre still ahead here, so i would bet for value and expect to see a weaker 1/2pair hand enough times to show profit.
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09-25-2005, 08:05 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
Because he's an unknown, I bet here.
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#5
09-25-2005, 08:07 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
I would like to know if the SB could have AJ, KJ or JT here.
Calling 3 cold feels flush drawy or jack-y. Absent a read, I probably bet, but I feel really icky if I get raised.
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#6
09-25-2005, 09:07 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
Nice hand.
Quick cold-calls of multiple raises almost always means a draw, and the only logical draw is crub frush. It got there. You'd have to call a checkraise because you have 2 pair, so I love the check behind. If you only had 1 pair, I'd bet/fold the river.
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#7
09-25-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
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If you only had 1 pair, I'd bet/fold the river. [/ QUOTE ] why? i think this is wrong.
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#9
09-25-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
I rarely play 9-handed but the LAGs would have to be pretty LAGgy for me to coldcall with QJs. Seems like a hand to get in a lot of trouble with. Do I just suck? What else do you coldcall with here?
I probably wuss out like you did, but purely EV wise I think bet/folding the river is best. Though this way you have a minute chance of picking off a river bluff that would have folded to a bet, and with check/call instead of bet/fold you now figure out what this guy actually had, and info is always good.
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#10
09-25-2005, 09:27 PM
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Re: Full hand that Im posting here
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[ QUOTE ] If you only had 1 pair, I'd bet/fold the river. [/ QUOTE ] why? i think this is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Because absent a read that SB is a maniac, river checkraises are almost always for value. He wouldn't expect Dave to fold, so he's not c/r'ing a hand worse than one pair. Save the BB.
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