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Old 09-20-2005, 02:10 PM
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Party Poker, generic .50/1 ring game, this situation just came up and I'm wondering what my fellow 2+2-ers are doing in this spot:

You're K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB, one EP player limps, it's folded around to you... to me this seems like a fold, as in not even worth the extra quarter to play this hand out of position against 3 players in a tiny pot. Is this a clear fold, or are some of you limping to see what the flop brings? Is anyone raising this to isolate the lone limper? Please expound....
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:13 PM
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I can go any direction in this situation (complete, fold or raise) and it depends mostly on the perceived level of skill of the limper and BB. If I don't know anything about the players, my default would be to fold
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:14 PM
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Looks like an easy call to me
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:20 PM
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I think a call is in order, and yeah play good postflop
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: just a quick one

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I can go any direction in this situation (complete, fold or raise) and it depends mostly on the perceived level of skill of the limper and BB. If I don't know anything about the players, my default would be to fold

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for truth

How's your postflop play? An honest answer to that is important
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: just a quick one

Good question.

I think whether to call or fold is probably a marginal decision. I dont think that you should be raising to isolate the early position limper though.

I think that K2s is a slightly above average hand. It has 1 card of high strength but no kicker. However it does have suitedness.

You are getting 5:1 to have a look at the flop if the BB does not raise. If you do pair your K, you are likely to be up against one random hand (BB) and 2 high cards or medium pair (limper).

So I think you probably do have just enough value to call.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:37 PM
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I think that K2s is a slightly above average hand. It has 1 card of high strength but no kicker. However it does have suitedness.


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Hmm... Personally I fold this, but this is a decent analysis. I play 6-max, where the standard guidance is to play about 1/3rd to 2/5ths of your hands from the SB. Essentially, I think that Fantam's guess that K2s is a little above average is probably about right, but to me that indicates a fold. For something to be in the best third of your hands, it's got to be a little better than a little above average, so I think this is close but still a fold.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: just a quick one

I call if: the SB is half the BB, the BigBlind is a passive player, and there is at least one limper.

I will fold if: the SB is less than half of the BB, or the BB is an aggressive (tricky) player, and may raise preflop, trying to win the pot.

I will raise: if I know the BB and limper are WAY WAY TIGHT, and will likely fold. Even then, if they call and I hit a King, I don't think my kicker will be best the majority of the time.

My standard is fold, however.
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