Anyone hate this?

macdaddy991 · #1 10-25-2005, 12:17 PM

Villans are standard.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

#2 10-25-2005, 12:19 PM

I would fold preflop. Otherwise looks good to me.

milesdyson · #3 10-25-2005, 12:19 PM

villains are standard????

i like preflop, flop, and turn. i would raise the river and expect him to call enough with worse hands that i could profitably commit, before raising, to call his 3-bet (if he happens to have teh nutz).

macdaddy991 · #4 10-25-2005, 12:22 PM

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villains are standard????

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Nothing special, typical 1/2 6 max donks

macdaddy991 · #5 10-25-2005, 12:24 PM

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I would fold preflop.

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Ya, I think I am going through my Ray Zee "loose aggressive" phase right now.

#6 10-25-2005, 12:26 PM

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I would fold preflop.

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Ya, I think I am going through my Ray Zee "loose aggressive" phase right now.

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When I consider raising with a hand like QJ or
Q10 here, I think the most important thing is what kind of fold equity does the PFR give me if an A or K flops and donko doesn't have A or K. b/c without that I don't think these hands are good enough.

milesdyson · #7 10-25-2005, 12:26 PM

this is a good raise on the button 4-handed.

Disconnected · #8 10-25-2005, 12:28 PM

I'd call OTB with the limper in front of me. Given the raise, I'd play flop and turn the same way, but would raise the river. It would suck to be 3 bet (I would call), but there are many times when he'll call your raise with a worse hand, too.

Disconnected · #9 10-25-2005, 12:36 PM

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this is a good raise on the button 4-handed.

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For value? Isolating the open-limper? Fold equity postflop? All of the above?

When there's already a limper or two in the pot, I haven't been raising the little offsuit broadways, and haven't been giving it much thought either, so I'm interested to hear what the raise does for us here.

My rationale for limping behind another limper is that I don't have a big equity edge, so I'd just as soon see a flop cheap, and I've already got the button. On the flop, I'll see a more natural reaction from the players in front of me, too. Plus, if I hit TP and it's checked to me, a bet will give worse odds to anyone chasing.

milesdyson · #10 10-25-2005, 12:46 PM

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Plus, if I hit TP and it's checked to me, a bet will give worse odds to anyone chasing.

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this isn't always good. if you raise preflop and get one caller from the blinds and the original limper, the pot ends up around 6-7 sb. they are already making a mistake by calling with a lot of hands, and the increased pot size most likely makes them draw incorrectly more often.

to answer your first question...

-yeah it's for value against his range and the blinds' random hands.
-it prevents the blinds from seeing a cheap/free flop (ideally they both fold).
-we will be representing a larger hand. an ace or king high flop is good for us most of the time when we raise preflop.
-if they begin to "react" to us raising hands like QT, they will also "react" when we have our best hands.
-raising is fun and we should do it a lot in position against bad players.