KK - wait for a safe turn?

newhizzle · #1 09-19-2005, 03:17 AM

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.67 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

River: (14.67 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 16.67 BB.

nervous · #2 09-19-2005, 03:17 AM

I'd just raise the flop.

jason_t · #3 09-19-2005, 03:18 AM

I raise this flop for value and then i jam the rest of the way.

Petteri · #4 09-19-2005, 03:19 AM

Do not slowplay. You have good hand. Raise flop.

newhizzle · #5 09-19-2005, 03:19 AM

with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand, plus my equity goes up on a safe turn

jason_t · #6 09-19-2005, 03:22 AM

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with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand, plus my equity goes up on a safe turn

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Your hand is nowhere near as vulnerable as, say, TT on a low low low draw heavy flop. Raise the flop while all these fools are willing to pay you. If the BB is betting a draw, who is going to bet the turn for you?

#7 09-19-2005, 03:23 AM

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with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand,

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The bet was from BB, so if he were to lead the flop again you would not be able to protect your hand on the turn.

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plus my equity goes up on a safe turn

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You already have a monstrous equity edge, raise the flop for value.

Pharity · #8 09-19-2005, 03:24 AM

You should definitely raise here. You should only wait for a safe turn card (in this spot) when a lot of turn cards might cripple your hand (which makes you want to fold), and there are no such cards here. So raise for value.

newhizzle · #9 09-19-2005, 03:30 AM

yeah, i guess this was not the best spot for this play, im currently re-reading SSH and just got through the protecting your hand section, but i do see the differences with this and where it would be correct now

#10 09-19-2005, 03:32 AM

Yeah this is more similar to the AA hand from SSHE I think.