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Old 09-17-2005, 07:32 PM
newhizzle newhizzle is offline
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Default AK, who likes this?

no read on villians, but the goal was to eliminate CO and get to show down my UI A high for free or bet if it improves


Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: AK, who likes this?

I like it. The better would be more likely to check into you if he already had the completed flush. If you're going to continue, it must be right to get rid of the other guy &amp;keep control of the hand. But, I'm not sure whether it's right to bet or check the river. If he has a pair plus a busted draw, he may lay it down to a bet on the river.
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:47 PM
trying2learn trying2learn is offline
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Default Re: AK, who likes this?

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I like it. The better would be more likely to check into you if he already had the completed flush. If you're going to continue, it must be right to get rid of the other guy &amp;keep control of the hand. But, I'm not sure whether it's right to bet or check the river. If he has a pair plus a busted draw, he may lay it down to a bet on the river.

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he'd have to be pretty bad to lay down a pair/busted draw on the river to one bet...especially after calling the raise on the turn.

i like the line due to the redraws.
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Old 09-17-2005, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: AK, who likes this?

There's a really good chance you're already behind, you're rarely going to win it without a showdown, you might be 3-bet, and I don't mind the guy behind me overcalling a bet that I'll win if I river the nuts. I think you're just charging yourself to draw here, and I'd much rather just call it.
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Old 09-17-2005, 08:15 PM
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There's a really good chance you're already behind, you're rarely going to win it without a showdown, you might be 3-bet, and I don't mind the guy behind me overcalling a bet that I'll win if I river the nuts. I think you're just charging yourself to draw here, and I'd much rather just call it.

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I agree.
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Old 09-17-2005, 08:22 PM
TemetNosce TemetNosce is offline
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I think you're just charging yourself to draw here, and I'd much rather just call it.

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Old 09-17-2005, 08:25 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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I like it. The better would be more likely to check into you if he already had the completed flush. If you're going to continue, it must be right to get rid of the other guy &amp;keep control of the hand. But, I'm not sure whether it's right to bet or check the river. If he has a pair plus a busted draw, he may lay it down to a bet on the river.

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No one at Party 2/4 is going to bet this turn, call a raise, and fold to a nonclub, A, or K on the river. It just won't happen.


That said, eliminating the guy after you might clear up an A or K sometimes, but overall, I think you are losing to the turn donk, and he won't fold a hand you beat if you don't improve on the river.
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Old 09-17-2005, 09:15 PM
gh9801 gh9801 is offline
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Default Re: AK, who likes this?

Why are you always playing draws aggressively on the turn? I see you posting so many hands where you do (and saw firsthand at some 5/10 tables). Personally I think it's chip spewage...
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