10/20 :blind defense part 3 - A2s

Surfbullet · #1 09-09-2005, 02:37 AM

Villain is 31/22/2.8 over 304. May be all-county with 12 tackles for a loss.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Surf

wheelz · #2 09-09-2005, 02:41 AM

raise the turn

Surfbullet · #3 09-09-2005, 02:44 AM

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What are we trying to accomplish with a turn raise? We'll still get called by bigger Aces most times because the board is so raggedy and drawy.

Surf

helpmeout · #4 09-09-2005, 02:52 AM

3bet preflop

raise the flop

ThePenguin · #5 09-09-2005, 02:58 AM

Raising the turn on a semi-bluff seems reasonable, but it's scary to do it against an all-county player. I would usually wimp out and call down like you, or might raise the flop and bet the turn, with the desired effect of making him fold.

Surfbullet · #6 09-09-2005, 03:05 AM

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Raising the turn on a semi-bluff seems reasonable, but it's scary to do it against an all-county player. I would usually wimp out and call down like you, or might raise the flop and bet the turn, with the desired effect of making him fold.

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Raising the flop is going to be interpreted as a draw often enough for better Aces to call down, and paired hands to 3bet us IMO. Our best chance to fold him is on the turn, but I don't know how good a chance that actually is.

Surf

helpmeout · #7 09-09-2005, 03:10 AM

He doesnt know what you have, for all he knows you could have the nut straight.

Raising the flop usually means a small pair that needs protection and sometimes a draw. It doesnt mean he will calldown.

cartman · #8 09-18-2005, 07:19 AM

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raise the turn

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Is this raise correct because the villain is a solid player or would it be correct against most opponents?

Which factors would make it correct against some and incorrect against others?

I typically just call down here and call a non-king river unimproved because I figure I will never make a better hand fold, I will sometimes make a hand worse than mine fold that would have bet the river, and I will often get 3-bet when I am beaten.

Thanks,
Cartman

Thanks,
Cartman

deepsquat · #9 09-18-2005, 07:42 AM

How about a 3bet pf?

I agree that raising the turn is prob pointless, no Ace high is folding on this board.

Folding the river is a possibility imo now that we can only really beat Q high or lower.