A no brainer with questions (5/10)

AZK · #1 09-10-2005, 06:29 PM

5/10, effective stack 1100.

A bunch of limps, I limp with 75s,

flop comes 752 twotone

MP bets 80, I call 80 (What % of the time do people raise here assuming pot was multiway but is now heads up/3way after this guy's initial bet?), short stack moves in for 280. MP calls. I moved in. Standard barring no reads, right?

What do you do with bottom 2?
What do you do with a draw?

Given that mp has about 800 left, calling sets up really awkward turns...ideas for general play?

ahnuld · #2 09-10-2005, 07:42 PM

I move in with top two and bottom two because it looks like he opened with a draw. If I had a draw to the flush and it`s a low one, I fold. Straight draw I think I fold too becuase not all your outs are clean and you have no implied odds against the opener if hes drawing too.

arod15 · #3 09-11-2005, 12:46 AM

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5/10, effective stack 1100.

A bunch of limps, I limp with 75s,

flop comes 752 twotone

MP bets 80, I call 80 (What % of the time do people raise here assuming pot was multiway but is now heads up/3way after this guy's initial bet?), short stack moves in for 280. MP calls. I moved in. Standard barring no reads, right?

What do you do with bottom 2?
What do you do with a draw?

Given that mp has about 800 left, calling sets up really awkward turns...ideas for general play?

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Push, Call, Push

creedofhubris · #4 09-11-2005, 02:29 AM

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5/10, effective stack 1100.

A bunch of limps, I limp with 75s,

flop comes 752 twotone

MP bets 80, I call 80 (What % of the time do people raise here assuming pot was multiway but is now heads up/3way after this guy's initial bet?), short stack moves in for 280. MP calls. I moved in. Standard barring no reads, right?

What do you do with bottom 2?
What do you do with a draw?

Given that mp has about 800 left, calling sets up really awkward turns...ideas for general play?

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Ugly, ugly, ugly.

I don't mind folding a draw here, either for the initial pot bet (I hate calling the pot with a draw that isn't 10+ outs), or for the reraise.

The other hands, I guess pushing is the play. Bottom two is not really any different than top two.

AZK · #5 09-11-2005, 02:33 AM

Wait, so you don't like the actual push?

Bottom 2 is totally different than top 2...

You generally only call pot sized bets on the flop with draws that have 10+ outs? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's where all my money is going.

BobboFitos · #6 09-11-2005, 02:42 AM

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I don't mind folding a draw here, either for the initial pot bet (I hate calling the pot with a draw that isn't 10+ outs), or for the reraise.

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not that this isn't good advice - it is - but this isn't the only way you should look at a draw.

lehighguy · #7 09-11-2005, 03:09 AM

Raise. Two Pair is vulnerable, you'll get paid by draws, overpairs, and good sevens. Besides, calling involves having to change paces later and I hate changing paces, it startles the guys with pairs and gives them a chance to fold.

#8 09-11-2005, 04:38 AM

I'm not sure what to do here. I'd only expect that much action out of the two players if at least one held a set. I'm on the fence about folding/calling here. Of course, to be completely honest I'd call everys ingle time, barring reads.... [/drunk]

Lucky · #9 09-11-2005, 04:54 AM

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Two Pair is vulnerable, you'll get paid by draws, overpairs, and good sevens. Besides, calling involves having to change paces later and I hate changing paces, it startles the guys with pairs and gives them a chance to fold. [/b] .

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Very nice. I raise with top and bottom two, fold straight draw.

creedofhubris · #10 09-11-2005, 03:19 PM

With 752 on the board, and EP leading out, there's almost no way he's holding two pair. So bottom two is just as likely to be ahead as top two. Granted, bottom two has a higher chance of being counterfeited, but if we're talking about aheadness on the flop, bottom two is the same.

I think the push is the best play, but I'm gritting my teeth as I do it.