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#1
08-29-2005, 02:47 AM
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folding good hands after a turn check/raise
#1crypto 1/2
I raise TT UTG, loose player in SB calls, BB folds. (5SB) Flop:6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] He bets, I raise, he calls (4.5BB)Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] He checks, I bet, he raises #2 UTG limps, I raise A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP, everybody else folds, he calls (5.5SB)Flop:7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] He checks, I bet (3.75BB)Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] He checks, I bet, he raises 
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#4
08-29-2005, 08:33 AM
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Re: folding good hands after a turn check/raise
Hand 1:
Unless you have the T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and a redraw to the flush, I would be inclined to fold to the turn check/raise. It looks as though SB has made his flush draw. Hand 2: I would call down. If UTG has Ax, there is a good chance that your hand is best. UTG would probably have raised preflop with AK or AQ. You are behind to AJ,A9 or A7, but ahead of any other A that UTG may have. (You also have outs to outdraw A9 or A7).
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#6
08-29-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: folding good hands after a turn check/raise
I have to disagree with the prevoius posters. Even if I assume we don't hold T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in hand 1 I think that hand one is closr to a calldown than hand 2 (I also assume we don't have no reads).
The main reason for me disagreeing is the answer to this question: In which hand is villain most likely to raise the turn as a bluff/semi-bluff? Answer: Villain is much more likely to bluff in hand 1. First, he might raise as a semi-bluff, holding a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x. Second, hero raised preflop. In hand 1 the board gets scary on the turn and since it's 8-high so it isn't likely to have helped Hero since he raised preflop. In hand 2 hero raised preflop. There's an A and a Q on the board which is likely to have helped hero's hand, yet villain decides to check/raise. I think we're often drawing dead/slim. An average 1/2 crypto players will often limp AQ/AJ UTG. I fold this hand every time without a read. Even if we're only up against another A we're often outkicked. You're often in really bad shape, not often ahead. EDIT: I don't think Ax check/raises this turn often. That being said hand 1 is not an easy calldown. You're still behind pretty often and in contrary to hand 2 you'll get outdrawn prety often even if you're ahead on the turn. Still I think I would call down.
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#8
08-29-2005, 05:16 PM
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Re: folding good hands after a turn check/raise
We already knew mr Wtsd>35% [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#10
08-29-2005, 07:26 PM
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Re: folding good hands after a turn check/raise
[ QUOTE ]
I have to disagree with the prevoius posters. Even if I assume we don't hold T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in hand 1 I think that hand one is closr to a calldown than hand 2 (I also assume we don't have no reads). The main reason for me disagreeing is the answer to this question: In which hand is villain most likely to raise the turn as a bluff/semi-bluff? Answer: Villain is much more likely to bluff in hand 1. First, he might raise as a semi-bluff, holding a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x. Second, hero raised preflop. In hand 1 the board gets scary on the turn and since it's 8-high so it isn't likely to have helped Hero since he raised preflop. In hand 2 hero raised preflop. There's an A and a Q on the board which is likely to have helped hero's hand, yet villain decides to check/raise. I think we're often drawing dead/slim. An average 1/2 crypto players will often limp AQ/AJ UTG. I fold this hand every time without a read. Even if we're only up against another A we're often outkicked. You're often in really bad shape, not often ahead. EDIT: I don't think Ax check/raises this turn often. That being said hand 1 is not an easy calldown. You're still behind pretty often and in contrary to hand 2 you'll get outdrawn prety often even if you're ahead on the turn. Still I think I would call down. [/ QUOTE ] Good post.
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