two advices from cardplayer magazine...are they right?

[gopnik]

Do they sound wrong to me because they are designed for higher stakes? I am not sure, but they seem just way too weak-tight...

Advice number 1 from Rolf Slotboom: "First of all, I dont think KQ offsuit is a raising hand after four limper. It is usually better to just call, hoping to flop top pair with a good kicker, a good but vulnerable hand that is often easier to defend in an unraised pot...."

I personaly would raise here preflop like 100%.

Advice number 2 from Barry Tanenbaum. He pretty much says that one of the common and costly limit holdem errors is "calling turn raises with one pair". Then he gives an example where you have AK and flop is K65 rainbow, turn is 9 and you get check/raised. "Unless your opponent is very tricky, you are beat....you should almost always fold".

I always thought that higher limits are more aggressive... What do you guys think?

[adsman]

Rolf Slotboom has also advised folding AK preflop. I didn't pay too much attention to that either.

[@bsolute_luck]

Advice #1: higher limits and there are already 4 limpers? sounds looser than some 1/2 tables i play at [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[hicherbie]

i think rolf is correct...large offsuit broadways tend not to play well multiway. there are tons of mid-limit players that are loose preflop, but will fold if they arent getting odds post. in micros, if theyre always calling with crap anyways, you might as well get money in while you have the best hand.

as for barry's advice, i think its for (non-ca) live play. calling cr'es with pairs (after showing strength on a fairly drawless board) against a lot of these players will lose you money.

[hicherbie]

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Rolf Slotboom has also advised folding AK preflop. I didn't pay too much attention to that either.

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there are certainly times to muck AK pre.

[adsman]

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i think rolf is correct...large offsuit broadways tend not to play well multiway. there are tons of mid-limit players that are loose preflop, but will fold if they arent getting odds post. in micros, if theyre always calling with crap anyways, you might as well get money in while you have the best hand.


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If you raise preflop with KQo from late position you can achieve a few things.

1. Buy yourself the button and/or knock out the blinds.
2. Get a nice big family pot going that will give YOU the odds to chase if you need it. For example, you raise and the four limpers call. The flop is A 3 J. By the time it gets back to you, you're getting the odds to draw to your gutshot. You wouldn't have been able to if you didn't raise preflop.

[@bsolute_luck]

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Rolf Slotboom has also advised folding AK preflop. I didn't pay too much attention to that either.

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there are certainly times to muck AK pre.

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they are so few and far between it isn't even worth mentioning as a topic of discussion really.

[hicherbie]

im not saying that raising wouldnt do good things for you, like knock out the blinds (or sb at least) and give you odds to chase. more often than not, you will flop top pair. you will be much better able to control the number of people in the pot with you after the flop if you dont raise. you already know the pot will be big, so depending on the players in the hand, this is not always a raise.

[hicherbie]

it can lose you a lot of money if in those rare occasions, you dont fold.

[DeathDonkey]

They are both correct.

-DeathDonkey