I think this is the first hand i have ever posted...

[FieryJustice]

Well, here is the deal...the big stack has been fairly patient, not doing anything too dumb. So..heres the hand.

#Game No : 2597108456
***** Hand History for Game 2597108456 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $5000 Buy-in + $300 Entry Fee Trny:15157584 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Thursday, August 25, 19:47:40 EDT 2005
Table Step Higher 5 #1033192 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: HoytCorkins5 ( $1725 )
Seat 4: Jcardshark ( $1950 )
Seat 8: Herodotus ( $4085 )
Seat 9: headcase49 ( $2240 )
Trny:15157584 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Jcardshark [ Jd Qs ]
boozer105: hero is going to win
BrodieX: so they dont even get an entry to higher 1?
headcase49 folds.
HoytCorkins5 folds.
Jcardshark

[mlagoo]

His calling range, despite being the big stack, should still be very tight here. Also, as I understand it, four players left is ITM in these tournaments? In which case his calling range may have loosened up a little, but he certainly isn't looking to go from bigstack to among the shortstacks with anything but a premium hand.

I assume you've run this through ICM? I make this push regularly against opponents with what must be much lower calling standards, and I think it is profitable.

In other words, I guess I push. As you can imagine, however, I don't have a GREAT DEAL of experience playing $5,000 buyin SNGs.

[TheNoodleMan]

I was going to make a crack about someone with this many posts posting a hand for the first time, but that buy-in really put me in my place.

[Apathy]

this looks like a relativly basic push especially considering the payout structure, what am I not considering?

[johnnybeef]

honestly, there are very few people that know how players play at that level in order to give you a solid answer. I have absolutely no idea what the big stack thinks, what he thinks you think etc. as such it is totally impossible for me to put him on a calling range. furthermore, i think that there is a different payout structure there. that said, i push this in a 55 if that helps you out.

[FieryJustice]

fwiw, the payouts are like a normal sng, so we are on the bubble here.

[USCSigma1097]

I can do you EXACTLY what I'd do in this situation...

After luckboxing my way to this point in a tourney...I'd suddenly realize that I'd accidently bought into a 5000!!!! dollar tourney and was on the bubble.

I would then simlutaneously pass out while pissing myself when I realized I was making a 10,000 dollar decision.

Hope that helps,
Sigma

[rvg72]

I'm not used to playing these low buyin games [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] but I've been able to effectively put people on call ranges based on a bunch of factors. I'm assuming here that he is a reasonably tight player and given the hand conditions put him at about 22% to call (believe it or not, I didn't pull this out of thin air). Top 22% = 33+,A3o+,A2s+,KJo+,KTs+,QJs.

Plug that into ICM and you get +0.1% to push which at least for me too close on the bubble.

The fact that this guy likely understands ICM and tightens up accordingly makes this a slightly better push.

Disclaimer: I have not played anything above $55...

rvg

[Newt_Buggs]

I don't see how the BS can be loose enough for this to be a bad push. Besides, if he does call he is either battling to get ITM or has just ended the bubble where he has a huge edge. Would you call with a hand like A3o in his spot when you can just fold and push any two the following hands?

Okay, gotta ask, did you win your way in or buy in?

I'm going to guess that you posted this because in the actual hand you pushed, got called, and busted 4th and are now second guessing yourself? If you did place 4th, that really sucks

Did you play this today? I saw you back at the $109s today, seems like it would be a big change for one day.

[FieryJustice]

Well, I bought in, so this was my gamboooollllll for the year. And yes...he called with AT and I lost like a bitch.