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#1
08-24-2005, 02:12 PM
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Action when checked to
First hand, but I think villain is LPp
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP folds. Turn: (2.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero 
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#3
08-24-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
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I always valuebet this, so many draws/whacked hands he could be betting with. [/ QUOTE ] Right, that's why I called down. But there isn't much value in betting against a draw? This is assuming he'll call with a pair but fold otherwise. Just not sure what my default action against an LPP with midpair low kicker should be.
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#5
08-24-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
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I think you're only behind J9 so I'd bet. [/ QUOTE ] A lot of passive players are going to check queens in this spot, so I don't think your assumption is valid here. I think on this hand I would raise the flop, bet the turn, and take a free showdown assuming I didn't improve along the way (and no one played back).
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#6
08-24-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
the thing is a Q is more likely than most hands to bet the river, so it becomes less likely he has one when he checks (without a read of course). since you can put him on a J or a T, or possibly an Acxc combo that spiked a pair, I think you have to value bet this and he will pay off with all worse Jacks (we're only really worried about KJ), all Tens, most other pairs, and hell maybe an A high busted flush draw. also easy fold to a c/r which makes the bet easier (in my opinion.)
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#7
08-24-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
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also easy fold to a c/r which makes the bet easier (in my opinion.) [/ QUOTE ] this hand has good showdown value. you don't want to give that up by folding if he check raises. i like checking behind here. sometimes i'll raise the flop, bet the turn, and other times i'll play it how you did. depends how i feel and my read
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#8
08-24-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
Is a fold on this flop too weak-tight? Because I fold here the majority of the time. Maybe that's why my flop aggro number is a bit higher than standard and my WtSD is a bit lower.
My reasons for folding the flop is: - the pot is small - I could already be drawing dead - improving my hand could just improve someone else's more leaving me a better 2nd best hand
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#9
08-24-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
I think folding that flop sucks big time.
There are plenty of hands villain bets that flop with, that we beat. I'm probably betting the river because I don't like to give LPP's and Unknowns credit for making logical river folds. I think there are enough hands he's calling you with to make it valueable.
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#10
08-24-2005, 04:58 PM
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Re: Action when checked to
Folding the flop is definitely weak.
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