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Old 08-22-2005, 11:11 PM
Mens Rea Mens Rea is offline
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Default Hmmmmmm....

5-10 B&M 9 handed. Hero has @$6000. Villan (older guy, played with him before, seems pretty tight, overbets, but every once in a while he can get creative if his opponent is weak - he has seen me play and should read me as relatively solid LAG) has $5000ish.

2 limpers to hero in MP3 who raises with 66 in MP3 to $35. Villan in SB raises to $80. All fold. Hero calls.

Flop 2, 5, 6.

Villan bets $200. Hero raises to $500. Villan calls.

Turn K.

Check. Hero bets $750. Villan calls.

River Q. No flushes.

Check. Hero bets $1000. Villan pushes.

What would you do here? (Results to follow.)
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

call in dark
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:15 PM
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I look at my hole cards first.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

Why do you think the title of the post was Hmmmmm....

Seriously though - my fault - my cards were 66 - top set on the flop. (OP edited.)
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:29 PM
ObnxNole ObnxNole is offline
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

If the flop were K Q 6 then I could get away from bottom set in a reraised pot given the stack sizes. A reraise to $80 p flop could mean a lot of hands, however. Given the betting and texture of the board I would probably call his all-in unless I had a great read and knew he had KK or QQ.

My guess is he had QQ. Hoped it worked out for you.

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Old 08-22-2005, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

VERY EASY FOLD
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

If you're going to raise the flop, make it a meaty one.

Folding the river is a good idea, although his check raise thingy is a bit suspect to me. You must have looked eager to bet. I assume you called and got shown KKK.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:43 PM
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I would fold. I think he has KK and turned top set. Your action post flop indicates you have a set and he represented an overpair with preflop and flop play. He could have QQ but I think KK is more likely here. Maybe I am giving him too much respect.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

Although you've been 2-outed here more often than not, You're going to end up paying him off here a good amount of the time. I can't do any math right now, but this pot is big, and I would really like to throw up here. Damn this sucks beyond belief.

I'm thinking his range here on the turn is AA/KK/QQ. You've got 2/3 beat, and they're both more likely than KK (by a long shot) because there's the K out there.

I still think you need to bet more on the turn. If for some reason an oddly played AK/KQ is still around, then we need to extract max value.

Same goes with AA. The weak reraise preflop also means more likely KK/AA in my opinion.

I know this is really easy to say after-the-fact, but are you missing that much value here by checking the river? God I know that seems really weak tight, but the only hand you really have beat anymore is AA, and you're going to lose a whole lot more to KK/QQ than you're going to win from AA. Does this make any sense? Or just me being weak-tight?

Seems like unless you have VERY good reason to put him on AA here, it's a crying, but brilliant fold. I may throw up after making it though.

The real question here is.... does he think that your value bet is weakness and is making a play at you? Or is he just getting value from top set?

I think I may make one of those calls here where I call "knowing" that I'm beat, but do it anyway just to preserve my sanity.

That's a really tough spot... results should be great.

My predictions (in order of likelyhood)

1) Hero calls and is shown KK
2) Hero calls and is shown QQ
3) Hero calls and is shown AA
4) Hero folds and is shown KK/QQ
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: Hmmmmmm....

Wouldn't it make sense to check river. He doesn't have AK or AQ and he'd have to have specifically AA to pay you off at all.If the river wasn't a queen then I would value bet but everything in the hand smells like QQ-AA.
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