Where I fold my set...

GrunchCan · #1 08-10-2005, 03:19 PM

The opponent in this hand is extremely aggressive preflop, but extremely passive postflop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

MP2 ($25.85)
CO ($9.20)
Button ($42.60)
SB ($35.10)
BB ($23.45)
Hero ($47.50)
MP1 ($29.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero calls $0.25, 4 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.4, SB calls $0.40, BB folds.

Turn: ($1.55) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $6, Hero folds

I was, and still am, pretty comfortable with this fold. You?

vulturesrow · #2 08-10-2005, 03:21 PM

Ni han sir, and happy birthday [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Laying down a set is something you can do in NL, even at small stakes, fairly comfortably, unlike small stakes limit, where you ruthlessly assault any poster who dared to lay down a set. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

FreakDaddy · #3 08-10-2005, 03:23 PM

Considering your read, it's a good laydown, but why are you betting so small on the flop?

4_2_it · #4 08-10-2005, 03:28 PM

Based upon you read of your opponent, looks like any easy laydown. He either has a straight that he was slowplaying and panicked when the 3rd diamond appeared or he hit the flush. Either way you are way behind.

I don't think you can build an argument for calling with implied odds even if you assume he will call you all-in if the board pairs on the river, but I am no expert in this area and may be missing something.

GrunchCan · #5 08-10-2005, 03:31 PM

It's a little more than 1/2 pot, and I didn't think he would call more with a draw or overcards. Is that not ok?

GrunchCan · #6 08-10-2005, 03:33 PM

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unlike small stakes limit, where you ruthlessly assault any poster who dared to lay down a set.

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Yea, you can imagine how conflicted I was.

"Fold!"
"No, damnn you, push!"
"No I have to fold!"
"AAARRRGGGHHH!"
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#7 08-10-2005, 03:33 PM

If he is as passive as you say he is postflop, then that's a fine fold. On the flop, I think you want to bet the pot, or not at all, if youre going for the check raise. Check raising the flop definitely is a bad idea if he is passive. He's probably not a habitual continuation bettor, and you would end up giving a free card to everyone.

#8 08-10-2005, 03:35 PM

Looks like a good fold to me. But when the pot is so small, I'd go ahead and make it a pot sized bet on the flop. I doubt the extra .35 gets anybody typical to fold that would call .40.

GrunchCan · #9 08-10-2005, 03:36 PM

Yes, you're right. The .40 bet was just silly.

djoyce003 · #10 08-10-2005, 03:48 PM

i'm really beginning to question the wisdom of these smallish pot sized bets on the flop. villains are getting really great implied odds on some of these draws. I'm seriously considering changing my strategy up here on these type hands into overbetting the flop to see if some of these donks will still call that.....i can see the wheels on them thinking on the flop though, that "hey it's only $1 buck, and if I hit, i'm going to get paid off here, so why not call $1. I'd be interested to see if they'd call 3 or 4 in these spots instead of $1. Something to consider anyway.