77 - turn help

joker122 · #1 08-10-2005, 12:20 AM

in the middle of a 150BB slide so i just want to make sure I'm thinking straight.

utg is
{{TOT HANDS: 85 - VP$IP: 32 - PFR: 9
WSD: 21 - FSB: 0 - FBB: 33
ASB: 8 - AF-TOT: 0.9 - AF-F: 0.9
AF-T: 3.3 - AF-R: 2.0}}

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero ?

seems like a fold.

TheMetetron · #2 08-10-2005, 12:25 AM

Yeah, I think we have to fold here too after looking at the action. Makes me want to cry but UTG is getting pretty out there with a flush draw which is just about the only thing we beat that he might have. BB likely has too high cards, possibly a flush draw.

Yeah, I like the fold.

dave44 · #3 08-10-2005, 01:10 PM

So you put UTG on a flush draw and BB on high cards and you want to fold?

Raise the turn for a free showdown.

jba · #4 08-10-2005, 01:13 PM

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So you put UTG on a flush draw and BB on high cards and you want to fold?

Raise the turn for a free showdown.

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i think he's saying UTG is betting too aggressively for it to be a flush draw.

I like a fold.

alta_chuttes · #5 08-10-2005, 01:14 PM

how bad is calling the flop here and looking to see what turns?

RunDownHouse · #6 08-10-2005, 01:14 PM

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So you put UTG on a flush draw and BB on high cards and you want to fold?

Raise the turn for a free showdown.

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UTG [would be] getting pretty out there with a flush draw which is just about the only thing we beat that he might have.

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I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, and given his flop AF, I think I agree that the flush draw is unlikely.

RunDownHouse · #7 08-10-2005, 01:15 PM

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how bad is calling the flop here and looking to see what turns?

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Exactly what cards would you be happy to see on the turn? I think the flop raise is right.

Mig · #8 08-10-2005, 01:18 PM

Many players would play a flush draw like that. I think I would raise for a free showdown here and try to kick the BB out of the pot.

alta_chuttes · #9 08-10-2005, 01:20 PM

not sure, that's why i asked? Kinda like the SSHE examples with TT and where a flop bet can't protect your hand and there are lots of ugly turn cards. I was thinking about raising something like a non A, K, Q or turned flush card. I am not saying he should call the flop but I wanted to see if anybody has some thoughts.

the only thing a flop raise does is maybe knock sb out. maybe BB checks turn.

RunDownHouse · #10 08-10-2005, 01:51 PM

I try to define my opponents' hands early and be pretty agressive, so I raise this. If it was something like a SB bet, and the whole field called to you on the button, then there's obviously no reason to raise. But here, you can raise and definitely get it HU with a good idea of where you stand, and likely a lot of flexibility with your turn options.