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08-04-2005, 05:29 PM
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Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
Please discuss your feelings on these.
Thanks, Jeff General -A new rule from the gaming commission indicates that it is no longer acceptable to plug games by announcing open seating (it is apparently "soliciting.") The Taj got nailed for this recently even though it has been standard practice in AC and the poker world for years. So now, say they start a new 50-100 game at Taj and 5 people show up...they can't say, "Open Seating, 50-100 Hold Em" and if they run through a list of names with no one claiming a seat, they can't say "Open Seating" at the end of them. I think this rule is bad for players...if people are in a casino, they are open to the idea of gambling. -Cash must be broken into chips. Bills play but must be converted (they can't be dragged into a pot and the bettor gets change). This makes for MANY fills and a slower game, particularly in games of 20-40 and above. -Straddling is not allowed (I think it should be) Taj Specific -One chip short is a string raise. If you accidentally put out 75 to raise the turn in 20-40, you will be forced to only call. I think half the amt required to raise should be enough (Borg does this). Also, at Taj...some of their dealers vehemently enforce this, some don't. Borgata Specific -Time is sometimes charged to players who sit down ten minutes into a down. They are real sticklers at this...obviously, anglers should be nailed, but charging someone full time for half a down and waiting ten minutes to drop time b/f a seat is filled? -Minimum Buy Ins at High Limit Games: At 40-80, the buy in is $1000. At 80-160, $2000. Sitting down, I'm ok with this. But one short buy in should be allowed...if someone is buried in the game 5k, no one should forbid them from trying to win it back with their last grand in an 80 game. This might cause bad blood and someone not to return. 
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08-04-2005, 07:23 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
General rules: Obviously the no plugging is quite ludicrous. Maybe they could do an "information bulletin" every half hour telling people how long the lists are/aren't? There must be some way around this; one would hope.
I hate having paper on the table so I am quite fine with breaking bills. I also get quite annoyed when dealers sell higher denomination chips to me if I rebuy (what can I say I like lots of chips :0). If they'd just enforce the rule that the first buyin has to come from the window we wouldn't have anywhere near so many fills. Straddling: I've never played anywhere that allows a live straddle so I don't really have an opinion. [ QUOTE ] Taj Specific -One chip short is a string raise. [/ QUOTE ] If it was consistently enforced it wouldn't be so bad. That said I would prefer the half bet rule, but as I almost always verbally declare raises it would rarely affect me. [ QUOTE ] Borgata Specific -Time is sometimes charged to players who sit down ten minutes into a down. [/ QUOTE ] Complaining about having to pay time seems very nitty to me. Its annoying, but you're paying for a service. If you don't like the price you should try and find a cheaper service. The showboats flat $5 time charge looks quite appealing in this respect. I hope their midlimit games take off. I do have one of my own. I don't know if its the whole of AC or Borg specific. Last week I was playing 10/20 and one player went allin for 15 on the river. The next player wanted to raise and was told he had to complete to 20 first!? Very bad rule IMHO. Floor actually wasn't sure (ruled he had to complete to 20 anyway), later he came back, after checking the rulebook, and confirmed the ruling.
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#5
08-04-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
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Complaining about having to pay time seems very nitty to me. Its annoying, but you're paying for a service. If you don't like the price you should try and find a cheaper service. The showboats flat $5 time charge looks quite appealing in this respect. I hope their midlimit games take off. [/ QUOTE ] I have no problem with time charges. I pay thousands a year in them. The problem comes from floor people intentionally not droppping the time until a seat is filled, sometimes as deep as 10 or 15 minutes into the down. Time should be dropped on the half hour. No casino that I've ever been to outside of there charges a player who comes in after the down has been going for a bit. It's petty to me (in fact I've seen 84 bucks dropped by ONE DEALER at a Borg 20 game - two players had left 10 mins into down, two replaced them and they were also charged bc time hadnt been dropped). [ QUOTE ] I do have one of my own. I don't know if its the whole of AC or Borg specific. Last week I was playing 10/20 and one player went allin for 15 on the river. The next player wanted to raise and was told he had to complete to 20 first!? Very bad rule IMHO. Floor actually wasn't sure (ruled he had to complete to 20 anyway), later he came back, after checking the rulebook, and confirmed the ruling. [/ QUOTE ] This is just a poor ruling. Since the bet was more than half the amount required, a raise must be $20 more (making the bet 35 total). I would ask for the shift manager in this instance bc the ruling is CLEARLY wrong and can ultimately change the result of the hand (since someone may not have called the raise otherwise). Jeff
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08-04-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
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I would ask for the shift manager in this instance bc the ruling is CLEARLY wrong [/ QUOTE ] Except he said he checked the rule book and confirmed it. One of the old nits also insisted this was the rule. I might believe the floor person to be covering for himself and not admitting to a mistake but I'd never bet against a nit when it came to house rules.
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08-04-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
Hi Jeff,
No Soliciting - This new rule sounds silly. Granted, at your 50/100 table, nobody will "stumble" by and sit down because the brush coaxed you into it. But for many newbies, hearing the 1/2 or 2/4 seat open can help direct them to what they came in for. Bill/Chips I like this rule. I play in LA and many of these dealers are barely intelligent enough to figure out the rake, let alone make change. Straddling I think this is a part of the game, like check-raising. Taj Specific If the intention is to raise, regardless of how many chips, this should be allowed, unless action is past the player already. My problem with this stems from bad dealers again. It's that too many inconsistencies out there that makes rules that are black and white too gray.
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08-04-2005, 07:49 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
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[ QUOTE ] I would ask for the shift manager in this instance bc the ruling is CLEARLY wrong [/ QUOTE ] Except he said he checked the rule book and confirmed it. One of the old nits also insisted this was the rule. I might believe the floor person to be covering for himself and not admitting to a mistake but I'd never bet against a nit when it came to house rules. [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely. However, each casino can theoretically have their own set of rules, even if they are ludicrous. Both Robert's Rules of Poker and my nifty Commerce Casino Rulebook agree with what we think. Sorry...I have copies in the car. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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08-04-2005, 10:26 PM
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Re: Some Atlantic City Rules For Discussion
Jeff,
A new rule from the gaming commission indicates that it is no longer acceptable to plug games by announcing open seating (it is apparently "soliciting.") The Taj got nailed for this recently even though it has been standard practice in AC and the poker world for years. So now, say they start a new 50-100 game at Taj and 5 people show up...they can't say, "Open Seating, 50-100 Hold Em" and if they run through a list of names with no one claiming a seat, they can't say "Open Seating" at the end of them. I think this rule is bad for players...if people are in a casino, they are open to the idea of gambling. I guess the Borgata can no longer announce $10-$20 open seating in the middle of the night on Friday nights anymore. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] This rule makes no sense to me at all. I stopped playing at the Borgata because of this reason.. Time is sometimes charged to players who sit down ten minutes into a down. They are real sticklers at this...obviously, anglers should be nailed, but charging someone full time for half a down and waiting ten minutes to drop time b/f a seat is filled? One night we got down to 5 handed play and had 8 seats filled. Two of the players were about to get picked up for missing too many downs. We balked because they wanted to charge full time. I used my negoiating skills to get half time however the floor almost did not budge. One chip short is a string raise. If you accidentally put out 75 to raise the turn in 20-40, you will be forced to only call. I think half the amt required to raise should be enough Horrible rule. I verbally declare my actions because of this rule. Minimum Buy Ins at High Limit Games: At 40-80, the buy in is $1000. At 80-160, $2000. Sitting down, I'm ok with this. But one short buy in should be allowed...if someone is buried in the game 5k, no one should forbid them from trying to win it back with their last grand in an 80 game. This might cause bad blood and someone not to return. Do the dealer really enforce this? I have seen players in the $10 game lose everything go into their pocket for their last $75 and the dealers let them play. What do you think of only allowing three raises?
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