party $150-----Interesting hand between sirio and donbuttons

[Annulus]

first hour hand. im just curious to hear what people think.

50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14584366) - Sat Aug 06 00:54:03 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(416900) Table 12 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mamaluke (120)
Seat 2: Sanguessuga (4335)
Seat 3: booger33 (1765)
Seat 4: XXXgames (485)
Seat 5: peteka98 (1273)
Seat 6: HarryTibb (1722)
Seat 7: BeerPongGuy (1643)
Seat 8: donbuttons_ (1425)
Seat 9: LuzrSaysDeal (1885)
Seat 10: sirio11 (2235)
XXXgames posts small blind (25)
peteka98 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
HarryTibb folds.
BeerPongGuy folds.
donbuttons_ raises (175) to 175
LuzrSaysDeal folds.
sirio11 calls (175)
mamaluke folds.
Sanguessuga folds.
booger33 folds.
XXXgames folds.
peteka98 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, 2s, 3h ]
donbuttons_ bets (300)
sirio11 calls (300)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ As ]
donbuttons_ checks.
sirio11 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
donbuttons_ bets (245)
sirio11 raises (1000) to 1000
donbuttons_ calls (705)
donbuttons_ is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $2925 with donbuttons_
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2925 | Side Pot 1: 50
Board: [ 3d 2s 3h As 8d ]
mamaluke balance 120, didn't bet (folded)
Sanguessuga balance 4335, didn't bet (folded)
booger33 balance 1765, didn't bet (folded)
XXXgames balance 460, lost 25 (folded)
peteka98 balance 1223, lost 50 (folded)
HarryTibb balance 1722, didn't bet (folded)
BeerPongGuy balance 1643, didn't bet (folded)
donbuttons_ balance 0, lost 1425 [ Qh Qd ] [ two pairs, queens and threes -- As,Qh,Qd,3d,3h ]
LuzrSaysDeal balance 1885, didn't bet (folded)
sirio11 balance 3735, bet 1475, collected 2975, net +1500 [ Kc Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and threes -- Ac,As,Kc,3d,3h ]

[CardSharpCook]

Very well played, Sirio. I'm hoping that he calls on the river if the turn is a meaningless card. As for DB's call.... I think we can fold on this river raise.

CSC

[Tyler Durden]

I don't like Sirio's coldcall....his implied odds w/ AKs are (usually) non existant, esp. vs. a player like Don.

Also I don't like Don's river play, both the bet and the call.

If I missed some deep-level thinking here (I wouldn't be surprised at all) between two good players I would like to hear it.

[TheTimeIsUp]

He saw Sirio make a donky similar play in the Stars 150, which convinced him to call.

[CardSharpCook]

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He saw Sirio make a donky similar play in the Stars 150, which convinced him to call.

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HH?

[Annulus]

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I don't like Sirio's coldcall....his implied odds w/ AKs are (usually) non existant, esp. vs. a player like Don.

Also I don't like Don's river play, both the bet and the call.

If I missed some deep-level thinking here (I wouldn't be surprised at all) between two good players I would like to hear it.

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this is why i posted this hand, both players are awesome players. I like sirios play throughout the hand. my question is what does sirio do if he does not hit his ace on turn and he is facing another big bet?

[CardSharpCook]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't like Sirio's coldcall....his implied odds w/ AKs are (usually) non existant, esp. vs. a player like Don.

Also I don't like Don's river play, both the bet and the call.

If I missed some deep-level thinking here (I wouldn't be surprised at all) between two good players I would like to hear it.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've never liked the raise, raise, raise take on playing AKs in position. You've got position, he's got the lead. What could be better? If sirio reraise PF, he throws away his advantage - position, and the ability to see if his drawing hand hits before committing himself to doubling up DB. If sirio raise PF, DB is either going AI or folding (in this case he would go AI, obviously). If he goes AI, Sirio knows DB has the edge, but has to call. If he folds, a sweet hand with sweet position on a skilled player is wasted. I like the PF call.

CSC

[TheTimeIsUp]

To sum it up...

10-20 blinds, he button with 65s im bb, some else sb
he makes it 60
sb calls
flop 6Q9r
check/ he bets 80, sb calls
turn is another low card kind of forgot but didnt help him
sb cehcks, he bets 180
sb reraises to 590 with 400 behind
sirio pushes
sb folds and he shows

[JC_Saves]

This is a perfect example of a type of hand that tends to bother me.

How is it that it is proper to call 300 on this flop given we have just two overcards? Is it because this person led out betting that we assume that he does not have a set due to the fact he would want to trap?

And since he raise preflop do we say that he does not have a piece of this flop at all? How do we not say that he must have a pair?

[sirio11]

This was it

PokerStars Game #2271596323: Tournament #10686555, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/08/05 - 21:14:17 (ET)
Table '10686555 44' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: buzz (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: Wachovia (1560 in chips)
Seat 3: tony1967 (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: sirio11 (1380 in chips)
Seat 5: maroonechevy (1780 in chips)
Seat 6: pologuy64 (1310 in chips)
Seat 7: gaygappie (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: HitUR2outer (1630 in chips)
Seat 9: tunnny (1500 in chips)
pologuy64: posts small blind 10
MiamiMover: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sirio11 [6h 5h]
HitUR2outer: folds
tunnny: folds
buzz: folds
Wachovia: folds
tony1967: folds
sirio11: raises 40 to 60
maroonechevy: folds
pologuy64: calls 50
MiamiMover: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Qc 5d]
pologuy64: checks
sirio11: bets 80
pologuy64: calls 80
*** TURN *** [3h Qc 5d] [8d]
pologuy64: checks
sirio11: bets 180
pologuy64: raises 400 to 580
sirio11: raises 660 to 1240 and is all-in
pologuy64: folds
sirio11 collected 1460 from pot
sirio11: shows [6h 5h] (a pair of Fives)