It's the Call-Down game, starring KQo!

[Eeegah]

Villain is a Loose-Passive/Aggressive, somewhat rare for these limits. He's only just slightly over the Aggro threshhold though, and it's only over 30 hands. I don't have a stronger read on him unfortunately as I had my eye on a massive luckbox who had just left the table, but that's a whooooole other story. He was around 50% to the flop though, so from SB he might have any two here.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

I wanna find a raise in here. Dammit, I wanna find a raise in here! It's a pretty coordinated flop, but I have my overcards and more importantly a double-gutshot despite the 2-flush board. He may have done flopped the straight already, or he may be betting a set, two pair, whatever. Should I raise this flop? I know how much the board hates the whole "bet for info" line

The river gives me a pair, and if he had T8 or something it's now counterfeited. Can you find a raise here?

In summary, I have no idea how I should have played this, but I really think I should have found a raise here somewhere.

[Paxosmotic]

I'd raise the flop and take a free card, then value bet or raise the river. We've got so many outs we barely know what to do with ourselves here.

[hemstock]

Raise the flop. You have an OESD and overcards. You can check behind him on the turn. If he bets on the river, I would just call it

[shadow29]

You have an OESD, not a double gutter. But the difference is semantic.

This line is fine, but I prefer raising the river. The reason I'm not raising the flop is because I'm calling down UI.

Dunno how to explain this that well, sorry.

[Eeegah]

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You have an OESD, not a double gutter. But the difference is semantic.

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The difference is that I forgot that my King plays if I hit a nine [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Dave G.]

Raise the flop, take free card, raise the river when bet into, scoop up pot.

[Eeegah]

Pretty much what I figured, dunno why I froze up when bet into on the flop, other than the fact that I totally wasn't expecting it.

Villain had 77. I wasn't expecting that either.

[hizo1]

Grunching

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He may have done flopped the straight already, or he may be betting a set, two pair, whatever.

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I think a whatever is just as likely, if not more likely, than a hand that beats you if he's loose-passive/ aggressive

I think I'd raise the river and call a three-bet

[hizo1]

Btw, this is my first time grunching and I have you, Eegah, to thank for showing me the grunching way.

[Eeegah]

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Btw, this is my first time grunching and I have you, Eegah, to thank for showing me the grunching way.

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No problem,

i'm sure you'll be yelling at heroes to raise 83o UTG in no time.