Never trust a 2+2er! (no content)

baronzeus · #1 07-31-2005, 10:45 PM

This is a hand with another 2+2er. We know eachother, and afterwards he told me he layed down KK. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB caps, 1 fold, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

private joker · #2 07-31-2005, 11:38 PM

He played it well. You did not.

alta_chuttes · #3 07-31-2005, 11:39 PM

I'm thinking that's not so great?

Risking 2.5 (flop call) to win 7.5, so 1:3 he has 99, TT or KK, maybe KQs (22ish hands- but do all of these hands always lead the turn). But even TT and KK have gutshots and set draws has so I think they should call getting 9.5-1.

AK/AQ/AJs/AA/QQ/JJ all look u up (12+8+2+3+3+3 = 32)

RunDownHouse · #4 07-31-2005, 11:40 PM

Can you suggest an alternate line for the Hero? The only one I'd take is to fold the flop, since I don't think I'd get led into without villian having at least a J.

EDIT: Alta did the math for why I'd fold the flop, so thanks to him. What can I say, I guess I'm a "feel" player

wheelz · #5 07-31-2005, 11:41 PM

Folding the flop is the one

private joker · #6 07-31-2005, 11:43 PM

I think folding the flop is probably right here. I can see peeling one and either raising a low turn card or folding, but raising the Q is spewing against every conceivable hand SB has except KK. AA, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, etc. They're all going to showdown.

baronzeus · #7 07-31-2005, 11:45 PM

I know I didn't play it well. I just wanted a good story.

And yes, against 99% of players I fold the flop on this one.

But it makes for a good pwnign if you ask me.

And no, the turn is a call for him IMO.

baronzeus · #8 07-31-2005, 11:46 PM

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He played it well.

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No.

alta_chuttes · #9 07-31-2005, 11:47 PM

depending on how often opponent caps prelfop and leads the flop and turn with 99, TT and KK this isn't so bad, but I don't think most people do it with these hands at least 2/3rds of the time, plus KK and JJ should call the turn raise I think. so its razor thin at best.

sthief09 · #10 07-31-2005, 11:49 PM

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He played it well.

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No.

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he's not expecting 88 to call an AQx flop after he cold capped then raise a J turn. his only mistake was expecting that you were playing reasonably, because he beats absolutely nothing reasonable on the turn. you have to have a set or maybe AK/AQ/AJ there every time