200NL full ring KK

pmuir10 · #1 07-28-2005, 03:17 PM

so i tried flat calling pf in position... villain was a little on the loose side according to his stats.. raising around 15%PF.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

Hero ($183)
Button ($274.90)
SB ($249.55)
BB ($208.75)
UTG ($308.21)
UTG+1 ($288)
MP1 ($195)
MP2 ($134.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $34, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $27.

Flop: ($79) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $60, Hero?

TheWorstPlayer · #2 07-28-2005, 03:23 PM

Explain your reasoning for flat calling the second time.

mosuavea · #3 07-28-2005, 03:28 PM

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Exactly what I was going to post

Slappz · #4 07-28-2005, 03:29 PM

Id push, but you shoulda reraised preflop, I think its a lot harder to get paid off when u just call even if your in position, too many scary flops.

pmuir10 · #5 07-28-2005, 03:32 PM

yeah i probably shoulda just pushed preflop. anyway i ended up pushing the flop.

Brad F. · #6 07-28-2005, 03:38 PM

I don't get these types of posts whatsoever. You TWICE on the flop had a chance to reraise with Kings and you didn't. Ok, so you are slowplaying your monster, we get that.

So now you've flopped three undercards like you hoped (??) by slowplaying your kings. Sure it's a monotone flop, but would SB bet the pot with the flosh here? No.

So you are either ahead and the guy has 12 outs (A-x with the ace of spades) or fewer than that. He might play a set this way with the monotone flop, but if he's making that crazy reraise pre-flop with those low pp then he's got some gamble in him.

You PUSH the flop. The chances that you are behind are very very low in my opinion. For the third time in a row you have a chance to reraise with the best hand. Stop letting the player draw for cheap here. Get your money in with the best hand and if he draws out, at least you can rebuy and take some solitude in the fact that you got your money in as a favorite.

Brad

Delphin · #7 07-28-2005, 03:59 PM

Grunching.

Reraise preflop. If he's on AK, better to get the money in while you are a favorite. If he has AA, you are probably going broke anyway.

Push the flop. I don't believe he has the flush, and even if he has one spade you are still a favorite. If he calls, you'll be getting 1.53:1 odds. You are +EV here against AK with one spade, or a lower pocket pair with a spade. If he doesn't have a spade you are a big favorite (82% against AK, 88% against a lower pocket pair). Obviously AA has you crushed and AKs spades is even worse, but only one of the 8 possible AK hands has you beat, and there are other pairs than AA that might make this move.