Hero tries to steal - Villain comes over the top

[Wevie]

Party 10+1

Tourney has been nothing but steals lately. Haven't seen a flop for a while and a showdown for a long while.

***** Hand History for Game 2423824835 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14256705 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Monday, July 25, 20:43:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 11233 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: I__Sharted ( $1165 )
Seat 6: HERO ( $1660 )
Seat 9: husseya ( $2205 )
Seat 4: VILLAIN ( $1295 )
Seat 5: Loder1 ( $1675 )
Trny:14256705 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kc Qs ]
HERO raises [500].
husseya folds.
I__Sharted folds.
VILLAIN is all-In [1220]



HERO ???


First, would you feel comfortable calling with this?

Second, would a push instead of a raise been ideal to begin with? Do you think Villain would have pushed regardless?

[tigerite]

[ QUOTE ]

Second, would a fold instead of a raise been ideal to begin with?

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

[KyleM]

he's shortstacked pretty bad and probably desperate. if you fold then you're short stacked bad. I definitely call, unless villain is one of those people that only raise w/AA.

[tigerite]

Short-stacked, with 8BB? Are you mad? You should fold KQo preflop from here, and definitely not raise to over 3BB with it.

[Wevie]

HERO calls [795].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Jd, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
HERO shows [ Kc, Qs ] a pair of nines.
VILLAIN shows [ Ah, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and nines.
VILLAIN wins 2740 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and nines.
Game #2423828641 starts.

[tigerite]

I rest my case. Next time fold KQo UTG 5-handed with this many chips.

[schwza]

i would open for 350 and call either short stack and fold to the two equal/bigger stacks.

auto-call after raising to 500.

[curtains]

I would fold preflop here. I have a serious problem with putting 500 chips out there if I don't plan to defend them. One hole that I think a lot of players have is they make these silly raises for like 20-30% of their stack.

You are basically destroying the value of your hand when you do this. It means nothing that you have KQo if you plan to fold to a raise here. You may as well have 32o. Im exagerating a little, but just because you have a "raising hand", doesn't mean you have to raise it in sit and gos. If you don't feel comfortable simply moving allin, then I'd suggest just folding the hand most of the time.

Once again, your hand is worth a raise based on it's value, but probably not an allin raise. However I don't really care about that, and because of sit and go prize structures and the fact that I refuse to leave a large percentage of my stack in the middle of the pot if I don't plan on defending it, I would usually fold here.

[schwza]

i think this post would make more sense if there were not the short stacks in play (including the BB, i think). KQ plays reasonably well against their ranges as they're going to be more active.

[Big Limpin']

Dont open raise UTG unless you have already decided to call an allin.

(best) fold > limp > push > raise 3BB (worst)

doesnt really matter what you have unless its JJ+ or AK, in which case a 3BB is ok becasue you arent going anywhere, and might get action that you wouldnt with a push.

BL' - position concious